It seems they just refuse to use it now when it involves disagreeing with the referee. It should just be changed to be purely for offsides at this point cause that’s the only fecking certainty they’ll bother dealing with.
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I’ve said this before, we need to ignore VAR. the next decision we get through it we just sky the pen on purpose. Show our protest and our lack of belief or reliability on it
Worst of all is that this is only compounded by the fact referees decide not to make big decisions because they have VAR to fall back on.
VAR then decides not to overrule the referee and the referee’s incorrect decision is essentially justified.
Least Forest won't have any issues picking their MOTM 
Fans really need to hear the discussion between the officials as there is no explanation.
I guarantee they state the got a toe on the ball, but that doesn't give you the OK to full on boot someone in the shin.
It's absolutely comical and needs to be more transparent or they will continue to make the strangest decisions.
I guarantee they state the got a toe on the ball, but that doesn't give you the OK to full on boot someone in the shin.
It's absolutely comical and needs to be more transparent or they will continue to make the strangest decisions.
They're protecting themselves. Changing their decisions would imply they made a mistake. That's fecked up
I'd like to see him have a rant. He's too calm when discussing these things, and I'd like to see him go off to open some eyes!!
United penalty shouts are subjected to VAR, which stands for Vitals Assessment Refereeing. No penalty can be given if the player is still alive.
No universe exists where that Weghorst one doesn't get given on a Liverpool player at Anfield. Not one.
Just transparently bent.
Just transparently bent.
It’s a bit of a joke now, they have now gone to the extreme with clear & obvious. Not sure what it would take to overturn a decision now
And then they make a big fuss about Garnacho waving his arm near another player immediately afterwards. Stadium announcement and all.
After some filthy twat on their team literally drew blood. Twice. From smacking two different United players in the face. Without a hint of a VAR referral. Going on to make at least three more fouls without even getting a talking to. While Fred and Cas get booked for their first fouls.
Ok, now I’m just ranting about the ref. My God he was so fecking bad…
VARception.
Yeah, Casemiro getting the same punishment that Fabinho got for his ankle breaker from behind at the weekend for the crime of... falling over, was another great highlight.
That was absurd too. Although I actually think that ruining a counter by ‘accidentally’ slipping and wiping out an opposition player happens to Cas a bit too often to be a coincidence. The cunning Brazilian fecker that he is.
It’s gone beyond clear and obvious. If that follows the rules then it’s a pen but if VAR isn’t giving such clear decisions then they obviously aren’t fouls.
At what point does a manager ask for clarification because it affects the way teams play and defend. If two refs can look at that and say no foul then defenders must be allowed a lot more leeway to get physical with challenges in the box. If not then what is going on?
What’s going on is VAR eating itself, in front of our eyes. There is no sweet spot between the ridiculous nit-picking that pissed us off when it first came out and the ludicrous situation we’re dealing with now. Where refs won’t make big calls in case VAR makes a fool of them, but VAR won’t correct them because we all got pissed off at the nit-picking so came up with this undefinable “clear and obvious error” concept. It’s an unsolvable problem that has made the standard of refereeing worse than it was before. And it remains unsolvable so long as VAR is a thing.
It feels like they are purposefully only using VAR for offside decisions now and nothing else, but the referees are still relying on VAR to bail them out on big decisions that the referee is too scared to make.
Would they rather the EPL just scraps it?! Don’t think UEFA would even allow that would they?
If they’re going to keep it then it should be used for offsides only. Because it’s made the officiating of all other decisions far worse than it ever was before.
I'm genuinely gobsmacked that the penalty against Weghorst wasn't given. He gets a toe to the ball and then gets a hard kick on the knee/shin - stonewall penalty. I can't find any reason why it wouldn't be given.
Tonight was the equivalent of rugby's video referee seeing a try scored and deciding it wasn't. That's what really pisses me off. Lots of decisions are missed in a game of rugby but for the most part the vital and clear ones are always called. If they think a try is scored they call to look at it, if they think a high tackle has happened they call to look at it. In rugby they are used to help the ref, understanding he can't see everything. Its so simple to use VAR like that but instead they have fecked it. They are using it as a tool to defend the ref instead of helping them. There's no other explanation.
We have a technological system governed not by actual laws of the game, but by "feelings" and "guess work"... It's absurd.
Rather then ‘clear & obvious’ can’t VAR just look for…you know…the right decision? Absolutely ridiculous levels of incompetence. The fact they refuse to let us hear the conversations between VAR & the ref tells you everything you need to know.
Diabolical Tonight. How Weighurst doesn't get a penalty is beyond me, he got kicked up in the air.
Plus Casemiro gets a yellow card for slipping, joke
Plus Casemiro gets a yellow card for slipping, joke
The ‘clear and obvious’ thing is a travesty now. As you say, VAR should just tell the referee ‘actually you got it wrong’. Especially with multiple angles and replays available
Just finished watching the game. And this will get glossed over because it was so comfortable but HOW IN THE HOLY feck was that challenge on Weghorst not a penalty?
Clearly obvious in real time. Clearly obvious by the defender’s reaction. Should have been clearly obvious a VAR review.
that is a cast iron penalty every day of the week and twice on sundays.
We need to start calling this shit out it is unacceptable
Clearly obvious in real time. Clearly obvious by the defender’s reaction. Should have been clearly obvious a VAR review.
that is a cast iron penalty every day of the week and twice on sundays.
We need to start calling this shit out it is unacceptable
I find it funny. When they look at a goal and decide, yeap, thats a goal, no problem there. Takes very little time.
But on another day, they'll draw lines and look for fouls, offsides, anything just looking for an excuse to disallow it.
But missing blatant penalties and all that, because it wasn't clear and obvious. Is really a load of shite. VAR ref should be allowed to tell the onfield ref he got it wrong and it should all be mic'd up so everyone knows what they are saying.
I agree. It was blatant
Does the defender not get a slight toe on the ball?
I don't think so, but even if he does it doesn't matter, he doesn't win the ball and he full on kicks Weghorst. It's a stonewall pen.
Even if he did, if you tackle someone by getting a tiny touch on the ball and fecking smashing them in the shin at the same time it’s an obvious foul.
Peter Bankes was the latest corrupt official to shafts us tonight. An absolutely disgraceful performance, but doubtless he will continue controlling matches in the Premier League without any comeback.
This was always going to happen, refs won't give a pen or a red card after VAR came. Leave it to the VAR to make the calls so you can shield yourself behind the others. That said this ref was probably one of the worst I have seen in a long time.
Anyone else think we were also denied another obvious penalty in the first half? Williams blatantly shoved Garnacho to the ground. For some weird reason the SS commentary team seemed to think it was a shoulder to shoulder challenge. But it was a straight arm shove. You can’t do that. It should have been a penalty.
Yea, the commentary on that incident was very strange. As it was for a couple of others.
It wasn't a case of easing a player off the ball, but the extended arm pushing the player.
We don't seem to be getting these decisions at the moment.
When the ref chose to talk to - and not book - Williams for cynically dragging Garnacho back when he was trying to counter he gave up any last hint of impartiality. Shortly before booking Casemiro for slipping over.
Nah garnacho it wasn’t a penalty but Weghorst was. It was so blatantly obvious both in real time and on the replay that serous questions must be asked.
Maybe we are doing the right thing and doing it in closed channels out of the public eye but anyone who says the Weghorst “challenge “ is not a penalty is a moron
Referees included
Maybe we are doing the right thing and doing it in closed channels out of the public eye but anyone who says the Weghorst “challenge “ is not a penalty is a moron
Referees included
that and the mctominay one at palace have both been ignored.
Why isn’t the ref at least going to the screen and getting a better look himself? it’s like the VAR team aren’t even there. I seriously don’t understand what is their “high bar” that they’d need to get involved with? it just feels like they pick and choose at their whim - and United clearly aren’t in favour.
It's quite scandalous that the VAR discussions are not mic'ed up, even if just to have a record of them in case a decision needs to be further investigated after the event. It just stinks.
This and the way football matches are of arbitrary duration due to inconsistent application of stoppage time, my two bug bears with this sport. Stinks.
This and the way football matches are of arbitrary duration due to inconsistent application of stoppage time, my two bug bears with this sport. Stinks.
Wait one, you're not telling me Williams didn't get booked for that? Christ.
My question to the VAR officials would be “what did you see with that challenge that made you think this wasn’t a clear and honest obvious error?” Just watch the ducking replay it’s clear and extremely obvious that a mistake has been made.
this one is so very clear that it does make me think that perhaps something untoward is going On