Salah's goal wasn't wrong. It was a perfectly legit goal by the rulebook. The problem is the rule is an absolute disgrace as it stands.
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Salah's goal wasn't wrong. It was a perfectly legit goal by the rulebook. The problem is the rule is an absolute disgrace as it stands.
Salah's goal against Wolves in the FA Cup. Ball is played towards Salah, who is a mile offside. The defender makes an attempt to clear it to stop it reaching Salah, he inadvertently plays it to Salah, who scores. Salah is deemed onside, somehow.
Tonight. Antony plays the ball towards Bruno. Defender intercepts it. Ball falls to Weghorst who was offside when Antony played the Ball. Weghorst flicks it on, Rashford scores. Offside.
What is the difference?
Tonight. Antony plays the ball towards Bruno. Defender intercepts it. Ball falls to Weghorst who was offside when Antony played the Ball. Weghorst flicks it on, Rashford scores. Offside.
What is the difference?
So since Offside gate, United have had 3 stonewall penalties denied and goals disallowed because of no legitimate reason!?
Right so it's still offside now when an opponent plays the ball and it goes through.
But you are also allowed to kick through the back of player to get the ball.
But you are also allowed to kick through the back of player to get the ball.
Let's not forget the crappy free kick Palace scored that was nowhere near from where he was fouled.
Because the rule is that if the offside player doesn't interfere with or impact the defender's ability to play the ball then he's not deemed offside. Essentially the defender is 'punished' for a piss poor clearance. I can see the merits of it in that it gives advantage to the attacker when traditionally offside has always favoured defenders but I still don't like the rule. There was a similar one (imo even more controversial than Salah's) in the Nations League final with Mbappe and that was also allowed to stand for the same reason.
IMO the Rashford goal should stand as I think the defender makes an intentional play on the ball rather than it being an unintended deflection off him.
Yup. Not surprised at all. Referees doing their best to ensure United aren't seen as being favoured.
Decisions have been horrid against us in recent weeks. No coincidence after the world news headlines after the City game. Bloody useless.
So clear goal and penalty ruled out because some numpty in the VAR room doesn't know what he's doing. Modern technology.
Fair enough for the pen... But ruling out that goal is straight up incorrect based on rules. It was given as a goal, and VAR has time to literally look up the rule, read it, then make the decision ffs. That's beyond ridiculous. Hope they get torn a new one.
VAR ref doesn't know the offside rule.
It’s been going on longer than that too. Klopp moaned about all the penalties we were getting during the no crowd phase and since then we’ve been shafted so many times.
Then we get one decision in our favour like in the derby and everyone explodes again.
People need to stop with this being about ManCity Fernandes goal. This has been going on for years and years and will keep going until we have transparency with mics and cams.
I thought Weghorst was offside, but based on recent interpretations of the rule (e.g. Salah vs Wolves. and the explanation that was given for that goal to stand) surely it isn't offside? How can the rule be interpreted two completely different ways, all with the benefit of video replays?
It's definitely a penalty though, he goes through Casemiro's left leg from behind, before (possibly) getting a toe on the ball. It might be soft, but a foul is a foul, and that's a foul.
It's definitely a penalty though, he goes through Casemiro's left leg from behind, before (possibly) getting a toe on the ball. It might be soft, but a foul is a foul, and that's a foul.
I agree. It's getting ridiculous now. I'd love to see Ten Hag call each one of these idiots out by their names.
You only need to see in the studio and commentsry how they deal with decisions that go against United compared to decisions that go for United to realise why referees take the easy option and call against us. It’s the quietest life for them.
In line with recent events, the media should go overboard with the fact that United have been fekked over by ridiculous decisions
So according to the presenter on itv the var were looking to see if it took a touch off the defender but it didn't so he's offside. What the feck is he watching?
This one was even more clear, the defender clearly plays the ball, which wasn’t even directed at Weghorst in the first place. I really can’t see how this could be considered offside.
It was clearly offside, not even controversial.
I don’t understand how weghorst is offside when the player deliberately attempts to play the ball?
To be honest I don't blame the refs for being hazy on the rules. They are changing them every five minutes to try to counter for all the farcical situations illustrated by VAR. Just accept it was a failed experiment and go back to the game that worked perfectly fine in the first place.
Not by the rules it ain’t.
If Salah isn’t there, the defender lets it over his head and out of play. Hence Salah is interfering with play.
At least in this case Weghorst isn’t interfering, he just benefits from a poor clearance.
Which rule are you referring to?
If the decision had gone the other way the goal would have stood. After Bruno's goal against City we won't get any decision unless it's absolutely stonewall.
No red card for Mateta for assault on Martinez. Wall for equaliser was 12-13 yards back too.
How is it offside when the ball wasn’t even played in to Weghorst. He’s not even interfering until the defender plays the ball, deliberately, which means it’s a second phase of play. The decision makes no sense.
I’ve given up. I’m at the stage where I’d ignore VAR. say it gave us a pen, I’d purposely balloon it into the crowd and shout feck you to Stockley Park
Did they even mention it on ITV? I tuned out Once Keane started talking about how easy it is to play against packed defences.
They were talking about the header that Weghorst won, but yeah, let’s completely ignore the obvious touch off the other defender
VAR is utterly useless. I’d rather go back to before and just accept the wrong decisions in real time.
I don't think it's a new phase of play because the defender isn't deemed to have control of the ball or made a deliberate action to control the ball, it's just deflected off him and when the pass was made he was offside.
Why was this one off but Salah isn't? Genuinely don't know.
If he deliberately attempted to play it, which he clearly did, then it’s a new phase.
He moves his leg back towards the ball and even has a weird follow through after knocking it away.
Let’s just say contacting the ball wasn’t an accident
The linesman could easily flag for that so I don't get how removing VAR solves anything in this situation.
If the argument is that this was offside and Salah should have been offside then I get it.
I think it's fine to be offside under the current rule. See the Dale Johnson post above, he explained it better than me.
Why didn’t the Reading player not have a chance of gaining possession? I’d argue he could clear it, he just fecked it up