UEFA needs to look into it. There’s no way they’re following protocols here
VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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Agreed, but the EPL seems to go by its own rules anyway.
United have had two stonewall penalties denied simply because of media narrative and the VAR not wanting to go against the referee
Awful implementation. Now they overrule a legitimate goal because the Newcastle defender knocks it onto the Southampton players hand - slightly
That’s not Var’s fault though. Its the rule which is shite. My problem with VAR lies in the way they operate under so much opacity. Var was brought in to bring transparency but has done nothing but muddy the waters further. It would be so much better if we get to hear the interaction between the refs and VAR like they do in cricket or hockey. We get to know why they did or didn’t overturn an on-field call.
The original purpose of VAR was to prevent wrong decisions but it has turned into another opaque mechanism to protect the referees.
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Clear red card for Son not given last night.
How in gods name is that not a red? fecking hell.
Compare that to awb red card in the CL last year just perfectly illustrate what is wrong with the PL's use of VAR
Tricky thing with those sort of challenges is that the amount of force/intensity is a big factor in whether they're supposed to give a red. So you could have an otherwise identical tactical given a yellow or red based on whether the ref feels the force was excessive or not. And that's so subjective a distinction that it's hard for it to then be overturned either in either direction.
Didn’t they use to give retrospective bans for challenges like that which were missed at the time? I guess they can’t any more, now that VAR is supposed to deal with them at the time. Yay for VAR.
It’s unfortunate, in that’s it’s clearly not intentional, but it’s a leg breaker. Easy decision, red card.
For me challenges like that should never be red cards. However, there's zero consistency! I've seen AWB and Pogba sent off for lesser challenges that were never red cards!
It's difficult to find a line between correcting a clear obvious wrong decision or enacting punishment to re-refereeing a game and getting bogged down re-watching incidents and players asking things to be looked at again.
The fans were sick of seeing the game micro managed and re-refereed by VAR. It's good for offsides and clearing up issues in goals scored or penalty kicks and correcting the odd ref mistake. The tackle/stamp by Son we've seen those given a red and not pre VAR, subjective to the ref. Should the ref be going to look at a screen 5 times a match for things like this? I don't think so.
The fans were sick of seeing the game micro managed and re-refereed by VAR. It's good for offsides and clearing up issues in goals scored or penalty kicks and correcting the odd ref mistake. The tackle/stamp by Son we've seen those given a red and not pre VAR, subjective to the ref. Should the ref be going to look at a screen 5 times a match for things like this? I don't think so.
When they var they need to make the correct decision. That's the only way I see it. They can't have oh it's wrong but not that much wrong let it go attitude when it's used. Either the ref got it right or wrong, and if its wrong it needs changed.
The deciding factor is the force and it's really hard to get a sense of the force in those slow-motion replays. The level of force is absolutely key but it needs to be shown in real time to understand the speed of the challenge and the weight Son applies into it. The fact it's always slow-motion replays that are used by the TV directors, pundits and referees through VAR also suggests to me they don't know what the feck they are supposed to be looking at.
But we’re in limbo at this stage, the refs are not making big calls hoping the var will see it and the var are not changing it.
we either have var or not in my opinion, not this half assed sometimes yes sometimes no nonsense
It’s not really that difficult, or it shouldn’t be. Get rid of the clear and obvious as it benefits nobody, it just gives VAR sufficient leeway to appear to have an agenda at times. Like human beings don’t have biases.
Next just use VAR for big calls that impact games. Red cards, pens, handballs in the box, offsides. Anything else doesn’t really matter. Refs should be able to get enough of the other stuff right. Even the Arsenal ‘goal’ that was disallowed at OT…you wouldn’t mind VAR not being used for that. If they don’t want to re-ref games then just stick to the really big calls in the moment. The ones that instantly impact the result.
Who cares if the ref only got it ‘slightly wrong’ ? If the ref didn’t give a pen and he should have just give the pen ffs. Sancho against Newcastle, McT last week at Palace, AWB v Arsenal are all fouls in the box and all pens. Just overturn the incorrect decision. It’s not subjective, it’s did he get the ball? Did he get the man? End of.
Next just use VAR for big calls that impact games. Red cards, pens, handballs in the box, offsides. Anything else doesn’t really matter. Refs should be able to get enough of the other stuff right. Even the Arsenal ‘goal’ that was disallowed at OT…you wouldn’t mind VAR not being used for that. If they don’t want to re-ref games then just stick to the really big calls in the moment. The ones that instantly impact the result.
Who cares if the ref only got it ‘slightly wrong’ ? If the ref didn’t give a pen and he should have just give the pen ffs. Sancho against Newcastle, McT last week at Palace, AWB v Arsenal are all fouls in the box and all pens. Just overturn the incorrect decision. It’s not subjective, it’s did he get the ball? Did he get the man? End of.
I really, really dislike Son. Proper cnut of a player.
He's a diving cheat but he definitely is "that type of player" also. He inexplicably got a lot of sympathy for his crocodile tears after breaking Gomes' leg but they forget that it was a reckless, petty tackle of frustration from losing the ball. He wanted to kick someone and did maximum damage doing so.
He's a diving cheat but he definitely is "that type of player" also. He inexplicably got a lot of sympathy for his crocodile tears after breaking Gomes' leg but they forget that it was a reckless, petty tackle of frustration from losing the ball. He wanted to kick someone and did maximum damage doing so.
Hasn't made a massive impact on the result, so far, but Oliver has let Forest get away with murder whereas will call every foul in their favour. Poor officiating.
Oliver hates us. He's the new Atkinson in terms of playing against 12.
Him and antony taylor are the worst. They don’t even try to hide their abu bias.
My main issue with var is it is used in different competitions and different countries in different ways. The rules of football used to be universal they aren't no more.
Var was only used in the league Cup from this week. Its basically changing the rules in middle or tournament. In the fa Cup not every game has var so its like different rules for every game.
In Scottish league they brought it in half way through the season again just changing rules half way through they game.
It should be scrapped completely they've tried its not worked its taking the joy out of the game.
Players and managers are allowed to make mistakes so should refs and assistants And what would improve the quality of refs is having more ex players fast tracked to be refs no body knows the game and the dark arts better than them.
Var was only used in the league Cup from this week. Its basically changing the rules in middle or tournament. In the fa Cup not every game has var so its like different rules for every game.
In Scottish league they brought it in half way through the season again just changing rules half way through they game.
It should be scrapped completely they've tried its not worked its taking the joy out of the game.
Players and managers are allowed to make mistakes so should refs and assistants And what would improve the quality of refs is having more ex players fast tracked to be refs no body knows the game and the dark arts better than them.
The lack of consistency between competitions is annoying, last season Ethan Laird constantly got taken down in the opposition box while playing for Swansea, and had it been in the PL he would have won half a dozen penalties. Every time it happened I would wait for it to be reviewed until it clicked that there was no VAR and it did my head in.
About the bolded I'm not so sure, I do get what you're saying as they'll naturally have a good inclination as to when a player is feigning contact and the like, but I'm also shocked sometimes at how in the studio or commentary box they'll often get the rules mixed up or confused. Although having said that I guess if they were trained up this wouldn't be a problem. Still I can't imagine too many would want to make the leap into reffing!
I just feel there's too many refs who look like they have never kicked a ball at any level. Yes there's the letter of the law but there's alot of common sense and I feel If they play or played the game they would the common sense more. They would know more about natural positions of arms and other body parts in tackles etc.
Compare this disallowed to the Salah one that wasn't disallowed the other week. We're getting shafted once again.It's exactly comparable isn't it. The exact same situation.
Yep
They are never giving us another penalty again, are they?
Salah rule doesn’t apply to us. Neither does any other rules. Clear penalty now. Nothing given.
How is it any different? Ridiculous isnt it
Exactly the incident I was thinking of. What the feck was the difference
No way is that offside, they’re making it up as they go along.
100% becuase of the hissy fit from certain sections after Rashfords goal against Citeh. Amazingly we don't see similar hissy fits from the same people after incidents like the Salah one
Another day, another wank decision against us.
Since the city game we get nothing.
I swear, every since Pep and that knob Klopp whined about the supposed offside in the City match, we've been getting fecked nonstop. How much more until the "debt" is repaid? 5-10-20 more matches? It's ridiculous at this point and Ten Hag should put his foot down already and start blasting these idiots on VAR. 6 points missed because of this crap, now possibly even more.
Two wrongs don't make a right to be fair.
With Salah the defender deliberately headers it up whereas in this case the defender deliberately kicks it up.
Commentators still talking about the Bruno goal isn't helping.
I will never understand a competition where VAR is only used at specific grounds. Either all or none.
That's the first one I thought of, it's the same thing defender deliberately playing the ball means he's onside