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VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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We can't surround refs or we'll get charged again. Everyone else is allowed to though.
Mic on refs. Cam on refs. Mic in VAR room. Cam in VAR room. It is so easy. But yet so dificullt because they don’t want people to hear them.
I think it is more shocking nowdays that we get a decision with us. Our club should go out and demand officiall investigation around decisions that seem to go against us more then often.
Yesterday for example, penalty not given and a failure to give red card for elbow against Martinez.
I think it is more shocking nowdays that we get a decision with us. Our club should go out and demand officiall investigation around decisions that seem to go against us more then often.
Yesterday for example, penalty not given and a failure to give red card for elbow against Martinez.
Impressive work, thank you
the main problem with VAR on anything besides a straight offsides decision based on a line is the whole clear and obvious error BS. It just allows for too much wiggle room for a ref to justify shit 90 percent of the time.
Has anyone seen the penalty incident again? I haven't seen one clip of it since it happened.
Just like flipping a coin
It must not have hit his arm otherwise how isn't it a pen?
Looked a clear penalty against Richarlison
No idea, 2 nights in a row I’ve seen VAR look at something and I’ve chose the other decision. The most pointless addition to the sport ever.
Absolute joke
Thought it might be on that weird bit of lower bicep/tricep that now no longer counts as handball
It hit the back of his arm and he wasn't looking?
Seen worse given, The handball rule is stupid anyway.
after watching how both rugby codes approach VAR where the video ref basically ends up walking fans and the on field referee through the elements being judged and being able to see the exact camera angles they're seeing and being able to hear the back and forth decision process any lesser degree of transparency just feels dodgy
It shouldn't matter how high it hits when he deliberately sticks it out like that but again that's a subjective rule because someone else might come along and say he didn't throw it out there deliberately but I thought he did
You’re right about the viewership and tv etc but it doesn’t mean it goes for you. United get shafted becos of this all the time. Say we are a goal up, we get denied clear opportunities to kill the game off (penalties etc), so more people keep watching and it keeps it interesting. We kill the game off and the viewership drops as united are probably the most neutral watched team in the country. Everyone tunes into see United hoping they lose, and they will notice the massive drop off in viewers when we are a few goals ahead
Mate if you cant see it you are blind..its all about money and views. City being denied a clear penalty tonight at 3-2 because they know if they kill the
No id say the one against newcastle where sancho was brutally kicked in the leg at Old Trafford in the penalty box and nothing was given. Disgraceful. Brown envelopes from your saudi owners
Would you be saying that if united were robbed? Youd be laughing and wouldn’t care. Feck off
Yeah really wish I hadn't see that now
Not even sure which part of this post I find funnier, you’re coming across totally unhinged
Some man utd fans believe they should get 15 penalties each game, you cannot make it up.
Not even sure which part of this post I find funnier, you’re coming across totally unhinged
The official dimensions of Selhurst Park are around 110 meters in length. There are 9 vertical patches of grass across one half of the pitch, which means that one grass of patch is around 6 meters in width. Judging by the pictures, the ball was placed 4-5 meters closed to goal than it should have been. We can speculate, but that discrepancy is the difference between DDG not saving and saving the shot.
They are are just opinions mate. You should probably learn how to handle them without getting abusive if you want to be on a forum full of opinions.
Really?? I watched the replay same as you, I can see why it wasnt given - from some angles it looked possible there was a touch by the defender. That being said VAR is running scared after the city game. Im just saying it does even up over the season. Put the gun down - we are on the same team.
Anus - we park our cars in the same garage. I agree with you on the city goal, correct but was it really?? - we also lost 2 rashford goals this year due to handball decisions that were technically correct but in reality absolute bollox. It will even out - Im sure of it.....
I’ll say one thing, VAR should have given that Sancho foul.
Live sat in that end I would never have given it however. It was far from brutal though.
Yeah exactly and we lost two points for not going over to the ref and complaining about it
One theory about the ref not being asked to review the penalty was that the same ref had to admit he screwed up when denying Fulham two(!) penalties in quick succession against Newcastle, after VAR intervened and made him check the footage. So the VAR official didn’t want to humiliate him again in his very next match.
That's not what VAR is supposed to do, the referee made a decision, VAR looks at it and determines whether, in their opinion, he has made an obvious mistake, IMO the call is 50-50, some of those you get and some you don't, either way it's not really an obvious error.
And for all those complaining about VAR, if it didn't exist, we still wouldn't have got a penalty
To be clear, the reason I hate VAR is because of all the bullshit delays and uncertainty about when a goal is legit. The fact we have to put up with all that crap and still get denied a nailed on penalty like this just makes it even more insufferable.
I agree on the first part but a nailed on penalty is a matter of opinion not a fact and IMO it wasn't nailed on, in fact I'd have been pretty disappointed if that had been given at the other end
I wouldn’t. To me it’s an obvious penalty. I’d have been fecking relieved if we got away with one like that (which we did, not all that long ago, come to think of it)
Yeah fecking fuming and where is the media uproar about this, elbow on Licha OR McTominay penalty. Well this finally proves the media are ABU's if we had any doubts.
I’ve been arguing that the offside goal was absolute bollocks, but there is room for allowing it as the laws are written.
It’s not going to even out if our “technically correctly” allowed goals are going to be scrutinised to the extent that the refs take it upon themselves to “even things out” for something that wasn’t even wrong in the first place as we saw against Palace.
Our handball goals have been correctly ruled out, but there’s no week-long debate over the law being stupid when it goes against us. There is no media outrage when Scamacca and Antonio, during the very same weekend, score similar goals post handball that are ignored by VAR because reasons that are obvious to nobody in the entire world.
And then you have the Palace incident that isn’t even mentioned by media as an obvious penalty, so how’s that ever going to be a trigger for things evening out if referees base their decisions on media reporting but incidents that go against us receive no media attention.
Exactly just proves the media are an absolute bunch of ABU's by the fact they swept all this under the carpet
That's not true though.
Look at this from the Villa game with the wall being placed 15 yards away from the ball
It's even harder to argue about free kick placement, because the ref can't really know exactly where the foul was (maybe he could've had some help from his assistant if he wanted to), whereas with the wall he could just take ten steps from the ball and see for himself, yet chose not to do so due to his arrogance.
OK well at least it got highlighted in that game,trouble was he off the pitch on Weds to point it out then, DAMN
I watched Trippier place the ball down, the ref blow to take the free kick and then it’s touched back to the keeper who didn’t know it was taken and just stood there while Ronaldo scored.
Completely ignored
I'd say the on-pitch ref is mostly at fault for not spotting such an obvious foul. Or even worse than not spotting it IMO. I think he spotted the foul, but chose not to give it due to conscious bias due to the legitimate goal we happened to score a few days earlier.
The media coverage is what annoys me. If we get shafted, we're the bad guys for surrounding the referee and promptly charged by the FA. If someone else gets shafted against us and follows the ref around down the tunnel, we're the bad guys for exploiting the rules. If we get a goal disallowed due to a dumb rule, it's fair because "them's the rules", but if someone else scores exactly the same goal during the same weekend it's like "yeah I think the rule is dumb so I don't have a problem with it". All that influences referees to spot fouls against us, choose not to give them and nothing gets said about it in the media.