VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

cyberman said:
I watched Trippier place the ball down, the ref blow to take the free kick and then it’s touched back to the keeper who didn’t know it was taken and just stood there while Ronaldo scored.
Completely ignored
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I watched someone place the ball for a free kick, shoot the ball at his teammate and then another player of theirs just picked the ball up with his hands and the ref let them re-take the free kick. Nothing said (apart from how we were bad for surrounding the referee and getting charged for it against Newcastle).

Imagine any of those incidents going the other way?
 
Anustart89 said:
I'd say the on-pitch ref is mostly at fault for not spotting such an obvious foul. Or even worse than not spotting it IMO. I think he spotted the foul, but chose not to give it due to conscious bias due to the legitimate goal we happened to score a few days earlier.

The media coverage is what annoys me. If we get shafted, we're the bad guys for surrounding the referee and promptly charged by the FA. If someone else gets shafted against us and follows the ref around down the tunnel, we're the bad guys for exploiting the rules. If we get a goal disallowed due to a dumb rule, it's fair because "them's the rules", but if someone else scores exactly the same goal during the same weekend it's like "yeah I think the rule is dumb so I don't have a problem with it". All that influences referees to spot fouls against us, choose not to give them and nothing gets said about it in the media.
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Yeah it's worrying this could happen again,maybe even as soon as the new media darlings Arsenal
 
The only thing you can do right now is laugh about state of both VAR and ref.

How Man City didn't get penalty is beyond me. Because clearly they didn't give free kick to Wolves they should have. They gave goalkick. So what is going on.
 
Another major decision against City with that penalty appeal which to me is a stonewall
 
I do think Anthony tailor is clearly the worst ref in the division. He’s absolutely terrible every game we have him.
 
Zinchenko offside decision was terrible. They should have at least shown the lines to remove any doubt. The lack of transparency from VAR and refs is what is creating these controversies. The less said about antony taylor the better. He is very biased against us. It’s like a United player shagged his wife or something. He gives us nothing all game and brandishes yellow cards for our players at the drop of a hat.
 
Have we even see a replay of that one pen appeal at all? What pisses me off is some things don't even get the light of day yet other tiny minuscule stupid things get scrutinised beyond belief.
 
bludsucker said:
Zinchenko offside decision was terrible. They should have at least shown the lines to remove any doubt. The lack of transparency from VAR and refs is what is creating these controversies. The less said about antony taylor the better. He is very biased against us. It’s like a United player shagged his wife or something. He gives us nothing all game and brandishes yellow cards for our players at the drop of a hat.
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Agree with this. They probably did check it but should have had the lines shown to the watching public. That was the close call, not the Nketiah one.
 
As I said in match thread. tenHag needs to adress referees and VAR. This can't keep going.

Zinchenko looks like offside and have they even checked it? if not why? If yes, how can't you see that he is in offside position?
 
horsechoker said:


I don't know if he's off but they barely looked at it

Why was Varing so much better at the world cup?
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To be fair it looks on. When it’s tight offside at an angle it always seems to be clearer when viewed head on
 
They probably did check Zinchenko and he doesn't look offside.

Worse was the Bruno penalty appeal, should've been given. Ramsdale makes a challenge, doesn't get the ball, Bruno does, they collide. Standard foul.
 
cyberman said:
To be fair it looks on. When it’s tight offside at an angle it always seems to be clearer when viewed head on
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A better view would be from behind the goal. But whether its offside or not VAR should leave no room for confusion. It would have hardly taken 30 more seconds to display an image with lines.
 
RK said:
They probably did check Zinchenko and he doesn't look offside.

Worse was the Bruno penalty appeal, should've been given. Ramsdale makes a challenge, doesn't get the ball, Bruno does, they collide. Standard foul.
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This one confused me too.
Even though the ball is going away from goal, the fact is the keeper's come out, knocked Bruno to the floor, yet not even a question.

I know they made a change to the pen rule in general, but like with McTom midweek, a foul is still a foul surely?
 
There was a check though? Everyone knew it was taking place, clearly it found that neither shouts were offside. Think we're clutching here.
 
groovyalbert said:
There was a check though? Everyone knew it was taking place, clearly it found that neither shouts were offside. Think we're clutching here.
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Yep. The 2 pen checks could be debated, but this would have simply been too lucky to have it ruled out in the 90th!
 
The Bruno one was a clear penalty and so was the foul by Wan Bissaka (where he took the player to get the ball).

guess that balanced out in the end
 
Has anyone got a link or have seen the second barging over of a United player in the box?
Not a single replay or check from what i can gather
 
RK said:
They probably did check Zinchenko and he doesn't look offside.

Worse was the Bruno penalty appeal, should've been given. Ramsdale makes a challenge, doesn't get the ball, Bruno does, they collide. Standard foul.
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Yeah. If the keeper doesn't see him coming - it's a mistake, but no, they'll use it as an excuse as he 'doesn't tackle him intentionally'. No Ref should feel sympathy towards a player making a mistake. Mistakes should be punished consistently by the same rules set in place, not brushed off like that because of some favouritism towards a British keeper and against a Portuguese player. THAT is a clear penalty. However, that's the second time in two games where we have been denied a penalty where a player is physically denying us a goalscoring opportunity in a last ditch manoeuvre and doesn't get the ball.
 
I thought it was a penalty on Bruno - soft but Ramsdale takes him out. Anywhere else and the ref gives it. Said earlier in the thread, not had a decision at the emirates for years
 
dove said:
According to my professional drawing skills.

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A perfect example of why VAR is so subjective.
I’ve seen Arsenal players much further forward on ball release.
It’s such a fine dividing line on where VAR decides that the ball is released.
Just a few frames can make all the difference
 
OldSchoolManc said:
Has anyone got a link or have seen the second barging over of a United player in the box?
Not a single replay or check from what i can gather
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The one where Eriksen shouted to the ref, after Bissaka was brought down? No, they never showed a replay even, but they said VAR reviewed it. We'll never know, could have been a stonewaller and no player or manager will mention it, no media outlet.
 
He looks pretty clearly onside.

Edit: yep.

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dove said:
Based on my professional drawing skills.

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First. Nice lines. Looks professional.

However. Ball is still at his feet. Wait half second or less and draw again when it is from his feet.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I still think he is offside.
 
90 + 5min said:
First. Nice lines. Looks professional.

However. Ball is still at his feet. Wait half second or less and draw again when it is from his feet.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I still think he is offside.
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I don't have another pic. I just used the one from the tweet posted earlier in this thread.
 
Miles onside. As clear a decision as the Bruno penalty should have been.
 
Stop with all the VAR conspiracy talk and instead ask yourself how you would react if a penalty was given in the Bruno incident and it was against United. My guess is that you all would be screaming for VAR to overturn it.
I am not against being biased, I am too, but some in here are just over the top.
 
Bruno just fell over like usual, bit of a brush and he just collapses. Rashford aswell in the second half..Tomiyasu just nudges him he goes past Ramsdale but sees the ball is running away and just collapses and starts appealing.......guy is having a great season so no need to do stuff like that.

I thought the best penalty shout for Man. United was when Martinelli barged into Antony. That was very clumsy and nowhere near the ball but because it was right on half time no replay was given during the game so haven't seen another viewing.
 
The Dane said:
Stop with all the VAR conspiracy talk and instead ask yourself how you would react if a penalty was given in the Bruno incident and it was against United. My guess is that you all would be screaming for VAR to overturn it.
I am not against being biased, I am too, but some in here are just over the top.
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Some are not just over the top, a lot are several miles over the top!
 
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