VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

[Pogue Mahone]

The annoying thing about this was - if Garnacho had scored with the shot he had in the aftermath, it wouldn't have counted because VAR would have clearly seen the ball being out of play and given us a corner.

So we basically had a dead period of the game where literally nothing can happen.

See also obvious offsides that we’re forced to watch play out despite knowing full well the ball is essentially dead. Another classic bit of VAR bullshit we’re forced to endure that never existed before the technology was introduced.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Joao Pedro hasn't half do some weird shit lately.

This is one of those which isn't seen as a red card, but is way way more dangerous/violent then incidents that are given a red card.

 

[deef]

But that's exactly my point. You'd be fuming because a VAR could subjectively determine the nudge to be too much or too little for a penalty. I don't see why it shouldn't be a penalty, considering Amad didn't commit a foul, even according to you.

This will just lead to more inconsistent decisions week in, week out. The way decisions have been going against us over the last few seasons, coincidentally or not, I would more likely than not expect the same handball in a reverse situation to be given against us.

Yeah I get that but I don't see how you want to get rid of this subjective decisions. Could be someone in the VAR room deems it a foul so therefor freekick for southampton. Another one wouldn't so next time it's a penalty. A fair solution would be in that case that every touch of the ball with the hand gets penalised. But is that what we want to see?

The rules are not perfect but if they are applied with common sense I think they are fine.

 

[Gums]

Yeah I get that but I don't see how you want to get rid of this subjective decisions. Could be someone in the VAR room deems it a foul so therefor freekick for southampton. Another one wouldn't so next time it's a penalty. A fair solution would be in that case that every touch of the ball with the hand gets penalised. But is that what we want to see?

The rules are not perfect but if they are applied with common sense I think they are fine.

Bad refereeing didn't bother me before VAR. I think most of us accepted it as part of the game. Also, I think common sense seems to have been applied better when pre-VAR-refs understood their role to be invisible and in support of not interfering or interrupting the game unsless it was necessary.

Nowadays, the (PL) refs seem to feel as if they are part of the show, which they shouldn't be. And as they have publicly admitted, they don't always decide based on common sense. Instead they pick and choose what suits their mates or the outcome they would like. The only way to limit their abuse of power is by changing rules to be as clear as possible. Ideally, clear enough that we can eliminate the human VARs.

I do understand your points and that you and others feel differently about it though.

 

[Red in STL]

Bad refereeing didn't bother me before VAR. I think most of us accepted it as part of the game. Also, I think common sense seems to have been applied better when pre-VAR-refs understood their role to be invisible and in support of not interfering or interrupting the game unsless it was necessary.

Nowadays, the (PL) refs seem to feel as if they are part of the show, which they shouldn't be. And as they have publicly admitted, they don't always decide based on common sense. Instead they pick and choose what suits their mates or the outcome they would like. The only way to limit their abuse of power is by changing rules to be as clear as possible. Ideally, clear enough that we can eliminate the human VARs.

I do understand your points and that you and others feel differently about it though.

You obviously never saw the likes of David Elleray, Graham Poll or Peter Willis referee

 

[Pexbo]

You obviously never saw the likes of David Elleray, Graham Poll or Peter Willis referee

Mike Dean

 

[Flying high]

You need some sort of tolerance to account for margin of error. You will never be able to 100% accurately call offside to the mm, the margin of error could quite comfortably be 30cm because there are so many variables.

Yes there has to a line somewhere but if someone is 1 cm offside with a 30cm margin of error built in to the system, so essentially the system shows them 31cm offside, than I can live with that.

But calling an offside where the system shows them 1cm off with a system that is impossible to get that accurate is totally mental.

I'm not sure I get your argument here. Because the system can't be totally accurate, we have to add an extra margin of error? Surely adding an extra inaccuracy only makes it worse?

If the automatic system cannot get significantly closer than +/- 30cm then it surely isn't worth using anyway. That said, I haven't looked into what tech they're going to be using. So if, for example, there's no sensor in the ball to determine point of release from the foot and we're left with the same low fps, low res images that we currently have, then I can't see it being of any use anyway.

 

[Red in STL]

Mike Dean

Howard Webb and Mark Clattenburg - it's a pretty big list!

 

[Posh Red]

I'm not sure I get your argument here. Because the system can't be totally accurate, we have to add an extra margin of error? Surely adding an extra inaccuracy only makes it worse?

If the automatic system cannot get significantly closer than +/- 30cm then it surely isn't worth using anyway. That said, I haven't looked into what tech they're going to be using. So if, for example, there's no sensor in the ball to determine point of release from the foot and we're left with the same low fps, low res images that we currently have, then I can't see it being of any use anyway.

It means that because we can’t guarantee to be 100% accurate, it gives the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. This way, goals that shouldn’t be disallowed aren’t disallowed, but it’s possible some goals are allowed that shouldn’t be, too.

 

[always_hoping]

Watch from minute 2, this is a pen but todays not for some reason

Anfield with a bigger roar looking for a penalty and that clown Michael Oliver looking at the screen and changing his mind on the incident.

Last night and De ligt in that liverpool game was no different highlighting how inconsistent VAR is