Lino was far behind the play
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Needs a Liverpool inhaler
I don't know why, but I feel that referees seem to get in the way of play so much more often now than ever before. There was an instance tonight when the ref got in Ugarte's way just as he was coming towards the ball and could have had a shot at goal.
Shows nothing.
The ball is on the floor.
these are the officials we're relying on to judge handballs and fouls. its actually pathetic now, there is very little positive to say about the state of refereeing in england now.
I think so, kinda looks like it but I wouldn't bet money on it.
The ball rolled into that position off the Soton defender. It's on the ground.
Even from that angle (which is the only one we got) that's enough to see that it's absolutely miles out.
Yeah 100 percent agree. Just to add it's not just for us, it's awful in general.
Sometimes the angle makes it look like the ball was out of play when it wasn’t.
This wasn’t one of those times.
I would need other angles.
Absolutely. I think there's a different layer or dimension to what dictates major calls when we're playing, but almost every game i watch is impacted by officials in a negative way
This was mentioned after the Liverpool game and laughed at. It's something I've noticed quite a bit more recently, seems like they are closer to the ball and play too often.
That Ugarte one was a joke, Ugarte should have just ran right through him.
Ok deffo overI've looked for one and there actually was a better angle tbf.
I would love a compilation of all the times, we've been F*CKED over in the last 2 years. Some mental decisions, from the pen vs arsenal last week, , to the one vs Liverpool, to the pen on Ings, to de ligts removal from the game cause of dry blood, to dalots red vs pool, to the maguire offside last year, to garnachos 'offside' goal vs arsenal, to Brunos two overturned reds this year, to the hojlund disallowed goal vs Brighton, to hojlunds non penalty vs Gabriel, to the Non-Penalty vs Tottenham last year. not to mention so many soft pens given against us. What other decisions am I missing??
At this point it's more surprising when it's an evenly reffed match!
At this point it's more surprising when it's an evenly reffed match!
In the first half today we got 2 freekicks that might have been wrongly awarded. It felt so strange.
Normal service was resumed when they handled the ball in the box. Not even a pause for 'VAR checking handball'.
I thought so, too at first, but if the nudge isn’t considered a foul then it also shouldn’t be considered when judging the handball. VAR has basically overruled the ref by determining that the nudge was a foul.
For fairness and consistency, decisions should be based on whether the contact or action is itself punishable. Allowing non-fouls to influence other rulings adds another level of subjectivity, and I think we can all agree that that is one of the biggest problems of VAR already.
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They showed this during the game. No idea why there’s any debate at all.Yeah I think it's a funny angle. Looked like the ball just stayed in play.
Getting beyond ridiculous
Arms swinging out when you get pushed is very natural.
Fair enough. It definitely doesn’t look natural. It’d be given if that were one of our players.
He was in the vicinity
If you watched it actually happen, instead of a still image post push, it looked extremely natural. It wasn't close to a penalty, and if that had been given against a United player it would have been added to the list of decisions people in this thread complain about for years on end.
A handball in the area is as close to a penalty as you can get even if we disagree if it ultimately should or shouldn't be given.
I watched the match thinking the ref was fair, and if anything, there were some 50/50 tackles that weren’t given, which were towards our favour.
Both handball calls (Walker peters and de ligts) weren’t given, and rightly so.
The Ramsdale one was the only mistake, but he gave it straight back to us and we gave it away anyway.
Both handball calls (Walker peters and de ligts) weren’t given, and rightly so.
The Ramsdale one was the only mistake, but he gave it straight back to us and we gave it away anyway.
You need some sort of tolerance to account for margin of error. You will never be able to 100% accurately call offside to the mm, the margin of error could quite comfortably be 30cm because there are so many variables.
Yes there has to a line somewhere but if someone is 1 cm offside with a 30cm margin of error built in to the system, so essentially the system shows them 31cm offside, than I can live with that.
But calling an offside where the system shows them 1cm off with a system that is impossible to get that accurate is totally mental.
Ref was good. I agree with the handball decision because amad pushes him a little bit (no foul but he losed balance)
After the "corner" we didn't get we stayed in possesion and had a good chance to shoot. What wouid have happened if it went in? Would VAR intervene and give a corner or would the goal have stood?
After the "corner" we didn't get we stayed in possesion and had a good chance to shoot. What wouid have happened if it went in? Would VAR intervene and give a corner or would the goal have stood?
This was exceedingly bizarre.I've looked for one and there actually was a better angle tbf.
I know it's really easy to say "even I could see it watching it live" in retrospect but, like, it actually applies here.
It didn't even really register that they might not give the corner in this situation. It was so obvious that it went over that I just took it for granted.
But precisely because it wasn't deemed a foul it shouldn't be factored into the decision because it is a purely subjective one. The same kind that leads to problems when deciding if a player was actively offside or not when they were in the keeper's line of sight or touching the keeper during a corner.
I think for VAR to improve, subjectivity needs to be eliminated wherever possible.
Re the penalty. Having got jostled by Amad his arm was in a natural position for someone who is slightly off balance. But we’ve established that there are natural positions and natural positions. If I dive to block a shot my arms will naturally end up above my shoulders. In the fecked up, post-VAR world, that is actually deemed to not be a natural position. Hence a ball hitting an arm which is lifted above the shoulders when a defender blocks a shot is always given as a penalty. In which case this should also have been a penalty, if VAR is used consistently. The only scenario where it isn’t a penalty is if Amad gets penalised for a foul.
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Happened to Luke Shaw.
I would be fuming if this was given against us. Would not have been a wrong call but still.
I think it's fair that neither handball was given. For once, it's a case of common sense prevailing, and I don't want to complain about referees applying common sense to a situation when we so often complain because they don't.
I was, admittedly, bricking it when they mentioned that De Ligt's was being checked. Not because I think it should've been a penalty but because I was convinced they'd find a way to give it.
I was, admittedly, bricking it when they mentioned that De Ligt's was being checked. Not because I think it should've been a penalty but because I was convinced they'd find a way to give it.
The annoying thing about this was - if Garnacho had scored with the shot he had in the aftermath, it wouldn't have counted because VAR would have clearly seen the ball being out of play and given us a corner.
So we basically had a dead period of the game where literally nothing can happen.
But that's exactly my point. You'd be fuming because a VAR could subjectively determine the nudge to be too much or too little for a penalty. I don't see why it shouldn't be a penalty, considering Amad didn't commit a foul, even according to you.
This will just lead to more inconsistent decisions week in, week out. The way decisions have been going against us over the last few seasons, coincidentally or not, I would more likely than not expect the same handball in a reverse situation to be given against us.