VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

[Flying high]

I think there should be some level of tolerance. Be it 10cm or whatever - It should basically be a section thats "umpires call" and if the lino has given it onside then it's onside, but if he's given it off then it's off.

I don't like this, adding in the lottery of human error to what should be an accurate system seems pointless. Plus, surely the idea of the automatic offside is to eventually do away with job of linesmen. We'd need an automatic system to say when the ball has gone out of play, but that seems much more simple to implement than offside anyway.

Moving the line would be fine. Give that 10cm tolerance for attackers. But there's still a line, so it might as well be level as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, all this depends upon it actually being accurate and quick enough to be useable.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I don't like this, adding in the lottery of human error to what should be an accurate system seems pointless. Plus, surely the idea of the automatic offside is to eventually do away with job of linesmen. We'd need an automatic system to say when the ball has gone out of play, but that seems much more simple to implement than offside anyway.

Moving the line would be fine. Give that 10cm tolerance for attackers. But there's still a line, so it might as well be level as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, all this depends upon it actually being accurate and quick enough to be useable.

Fair enough RE: the linesman call system - but I do think there definitely has to be a tolerance for error of some kind. If it is 10cm then at least if someone is offside they are definitely offside... but if its like the above, there is no way that the technology can be 100% correct enough to say that he is 100% offside.

Its why the current tolerance they have for PL offsides works pretty well - nobody has really been complaining anymore about VAR offside decisions anymore (and if they are its usually because the VAR has picked the wrong bloke/pass, or subjective decisions about interference)

 

[jasT1981]

 

[Rooney in Paris]

That's a fine decision.

 

[SER19]

Its a blatant penalty. I honestly can't remember the last big decision in our favour

 

[OldSchoolManc]

Yeah cause De Ligt MEANT to handball it for a penalty against us!

 

[RedRocket9908]

Then why was the one against De Ligt given when that was also accidental as a consequence of contact from a Liverpool player that was right in front of him

 

[SuperiorXI]

The liverpool one was even more of an accident but somehow it's a pen against us

 

[Heinzesight]

They just make it up game by game for us. If that’s at the other end, it’s a penalty.

 

[Chip]

Never a pen IMO.

However, it wouldn't be suprising if it was given against us.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

very quick VAR check

 

[OldSchoolManc]

Never a pen IMO.

However, it wouldn't be suprising if it was given against us.

It was, against De Ligt

 

[Heinzesight]

very quick VAR check

Again, the checks always seem so quick against us.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Watch from minute 2, this is a pen but todays not for some reason

 

[Carl]

Never a pen IMO.

However, it wouldn't be suprising if it was given against us.

Of course not, but it's more a handball than the one against De Ligt, and therein lies the problem.

 

[2 man midfield]

Yeah cause De Ligt MEANT to handball it for a penalty against us!

I thought all contact was a handball now, regardless of how close it is or whether or not they mean it. Or is that just when they’re trying to give one against us?

 

[RedDevil@84]

Absolute double standards when it comes to us. The more silent we are as a club, the more it happens.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Missed this one as my son shat himself, any video?

 

[Catt]

Missed this one as my son shat himself, any video?

Aww, that's wholesome. It was a penalty

 

[Heinzesight]

Missed this one as my son shat himself, any video?

Is he playing in midfield for United?

 

[Berbasbullet]

Aww, that's wholesome. It was a penalty

we really are down in the dumps decision wise.

 

[cj_sparky]

If that handball happens in Europe next week against Rangers it will be given, thought the Southampton player had moved his arm towards the ball.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Is he playing in midfield for United?

 

[FerociousCorgis]

honestly whatever on the decision, but holy feck was that the quickest "clear" ive seen given on a decision.

 

[Catt]

we really are down in the dumps decision wise.

Yep

 

[Josep Dowling]

1 replay shown, not discussed at half time, manager and club don’t say anything after the game. Everything is going against us recently.

 

[Bubz27]

Martinez booked for nothing it looked like.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

Commentary team just spent way more time discussing a shot that hit De Ligt on the back than they did on the United penalty shout.
That’s a reflection of why United are never given anything

 

[Cutch]

I thought De Ligt was clearly fouled after making the clearance that Southampton scored the corner from.

 

[Bubz27]

Bednarek grabbing Zirkzee with both arms after he's turned him and no yellow is diabolical. Referee letting smaller teams do what they want again to control the game.

 

[Eugenius]

Bednarek grabbing Zirkzee with both arms after he's turned him and no yellow is diabolical. Referee letting smaller teams do what they want again to control the game.

That and the time wasting and the ridiculous corner that was a yard off

 

[90 + 5min]

1 replay shown, not discussed at half time, manager and club don’t say anything after the game. Everything is going against us recently.

Been happening for years. Nothing new. It is just recently more fans are actually seeing it. Our club must make some official statement.

 

[Swedish_Plumber]

When is football going to start to take reckless challenges that cause head injuries seriously? Outside the pathetic stopping for clearly uninjured players at corners?

 

[Alex99]

Commentary team just spent way more time discussing a shot that hit De Ligt on the back than they did on the United penalty shout.
That’s a reflection of why United are never given anything

I loved the conclusion of that discussion being "it would have been a penalty if the ball had actually hit him on the arm" after we got to watch four slow motion replays of the ball clearly not hitting his arm.

They couldn't just say "not a penalty" and move on.

 

[Catt]

I thought De Ligt was clearly fouled after making the clearance that Southampton scored the corner from.

Same

 

[#07]

 

[Withnail]

I could not believe that wasn't given after seeing the other handballs that have resulted in penalties lately.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

Along with the 1 second VAR reviews for a United penalty shout compared to the sometimes 5 minute examination of a United indiscretion, it would seem that United are indeed refereed to a different standard

 

[KiD MoYeS]

To be fair, I think the reason the handball wasn't given was because Amad nudges the player.

 

[tomaldinho1]

The standard of reffing just isn't there - how did they not see that corner when Ramsdale cleared it, he was off the actual mowed grass it was so behind the line