I didn't see the hit in the face but fair enough if he had reason to be holding and rubbing it while on the ground. But it's still hard to sympathise with his pain when he instigated the whole situation unnecessarily. I think if he'd have focused on the counter attack, he'd have been fouled by anyway, just without coming across as a cheat. It's behaviour that has spread across clubs and needs retrospective bans if it's to improve, imo. Or maybe I'm just getting to old for the modern game.
VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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Give every team 3 challenges. Like in tennis.
Shouldn't even take a challenge, the guys could look at the replay and say, no corner, on corners they have plenty of time to take a look. Especially when Arsenal take absout 10 minutes to have a full team meeting before every one.
It wouldnt work in Football
They need to sort out the consistency when it comes to calling those in the box fouls at corners.
The last thing football needs is more of Arsenal’s excruciatingly slooooow corners. I’d be in favour of the exact opposite. A timer that starts as soon as the set-piece is awarded. If you take more than, say, 45 seconds then a free against you.
I think they should keep goal line tech and semi automatic off side tech and scrap the rest.
Maybe a stop clock to keep teams from all the time wasting.
Maybe a stop clock to keep teams from all the time wasting.
Well they wouldn't have scored the equaliser last night for a start. Would only take a couple of seconds for them to check the last contact on the ball.
Every single one of their setpieces is boring and takes an age, it's obviously just a ploy to get people in position. They should just book whoever is ambling over to the corner with the ball for time wasting.
I think we need to grow a set and accept that the ref might get the odd corner, throw-in, minor infringement wrong. There's only a 2% chance of scoring from a corner. I get Arsenal are great at them, but do we start VAR checking throw-ins when Tamworth get one for example.
Yeah I'm going to hate this so much when we get it in the Prem
Yeah I'm going to hate this so much when we get it in the Prem
Which one is offside?
100%. It's fans who can't accept human error that I blame for the way VAR is ruining football.
It's so insane. If a midfielder doesn't see a run, or a striker smashes a shot over the bar we don't demand ways to make sure it will never happen again (and/or complain about corruption). It's just part of the game. Why does everyone demand complete infallibility from officials? Insisting on impossibly high standards is only ever going to make the game worse and worse to watch.
Yeah I'm going to hate this so much when we get it in the Prem
FFS
And you'll get the usual melts saying this is an improvement.
Will be a nightmare, i agree. The decision has to be left on main ref hands. He might even see all the images he wants. But there is always the subjective element of analysis, its better to accept it that way, than having tech scrub a goal that 99% of the people would agree was legal.
I wonder what the margin of error is for the software evaluating this, really doubt it is so precise for calls like that with certainty
Bit of a random thought but I wonder if you need to play/watch grassroots football to be a bit more realistic about refereeing standards? As in you need to see what poor/average refereeing performances look like to appreciate how good at their job the PL referees are? (even the ones who get the most criticism)
If it can be done within a few seconds then it is an improvement. Certainly better than drawing crooked lines on an angled, grainy image.
I'd assume it could also be adjusted so that it's not triggered by a 1mm offside. But there has to be a line somewhere, so I don't actually see the problem with this, as long as it's accurate and consistant.
Isn't it already in the prem?
Yeah I'm going to hate this so much when we get it in the Prem
It will never not be annoying seeing goals chalked off for 1mm offsides. And that will always happen, no matter where the line is drawn.
After his woeful performance on Sunday in the Arsenal v United game Madley was back officiating last night in the Leicester game.
Think he has the Liverpool game on the weekend
Yeah I'm going to hate this so much when we get it in the Prem
Cringe. At this point, when the ball goes into the net you just wait to see if it's a goal or someone's pinky was offside.
I thought Isak was offside for the 3rd Newcastle goal last night but apparently VAR didn't. Judge for yourselves...
I'd just add a 10cm grace rule and only apply it to feet. Offside still means beyond level but only via linesman's call; in which case VAR can overturn if it deems the attacker was level.
I'd also add some sort of graphic that squeezes the relevant players together along a line. I think a lot of seemingly dodgy decisions occur because even with drawing lines it's hard for the eye to pick up on inches across metres of empty space. If you somehow closed that gap graphically I think it would become a lot more intuitive to the viewer.
I'd also add some sort of graphic that squeezes the relevant players together along a line. I think a lot of seemingly dodgy decisions occur because even with drawing lines it's hard for the eye to pick up on inches across metres of empty space. If you somehow closed that gap graphically I think it would become a lot more intuitive to the viewer.
Of course it will be. But that's the nature of offside.
You could say the same about goal line technology.
The green line goes up to the defenders knee. It might be right but it looks completely wrong
Yeah, true. Although goal line technology gets used a lot less frequently. And working out if a sphere ever completely crosses a line seems a much better fit for this technology than the messy business of working out where human shaped figures are in space, which part of the body gives you a goalscoring advantage and when, exactly, a kicked football has stopped touching the foot that kicked it.
Good idea. A set piece/corner clock would be a good addition.
Arsenal are absolutely ridiculous for it this season. I was listening to Second Captains yesterday and Ken Early was saying that they have one of the lowest ball in play times in the league this season on average at less than 50 mins. How they're not penalised for blatant time wasting is beyond me.
I would also be in favour of 30 min halves where the ref stops the clock rather than arbitrarily adding on whatever time he feels like adding.
Having the VAR in place has overall helped make the game fairer in my opinion. I would wager that the vast majority of the time we moan about the VAR or ref being incompetent, it's just that we don't like that a decision has been given or changed to the detriment of our team.
Where I'd like too see an improvement is in simplifying some of the rules and just having the balls to actually apply them correctly, consistently and fairly for all teams regardless of location, status of the team or whatever it may be.
There shouldn't be an opportunity for sound bytes like "you're never going to get that at Anfield", or the home team clearly getting away with being aggressive while the away team gets fouls given against them repeatedly for exactly the same things. Either pull them up equally, or let things go properly on both sides.
If you're going to disallow a goal for a push in the box, every push or pull in the box needs to be given appropriately, it shouldn't be a case of blowing for one because it happened to be a goal but everything else is fine. Sure, they might have to give 20 penalties a game initially, but so be it.
Same view on "that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch". In that case, it's a penalty, just give it accordingly. That shouldn't be a commonly used phrase.
Then there's different decisions being given for the same specific incidents in different games, the Casemiro sending off for choking Hughes vs Havertz doing the same thing, the De Ligt vs Romero hand ball. Just examples, but they are pretty significant and identical actions, they should not be treated differently by any referee, it's not the same as an innocuous foul being called or let go.
I'm fairly certain we'd all moan a little less if the rules were applied equally and in a way that makes sense for the majority or every game. This just isn't the case at the moment (although I feel that has little to do with VAR in and of itself).
Where I'd like too see an improvement is in simplifying some of the rules and just having the balls to actually apply them correctly, consistently and fairly for all teams regardless of location, status of the team or whatever it may be.
There shouldn't be an opportunity for sound bytes like "you're never going to get that at Anfield", or the home team clearly getting away with being aggressive while the away team gets fouls given against them repeatedly for exactly the same things. Either pull them up equally, or let things go properly on both sides.
If you're going to disallow a goal for a push in the box, every push or pull in the box needs to be given appropriately, it shouldn't be a case of blowing for one because it happened to be a goal but everything else is fine. Sure, they might have to give 20 penalties a game initially, but so be it.
Same view on "that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch". In that case, it's a penalty, just give it accordingly. That shouldn't be a commonly used phrase.
Then there's different decisions being given for the same specific incidents in different games, the Casemiro sending off for choking Hughes vs Havertz doing the same thing, the De Ligt vs Romero hand ball. Just examples, but they are pretty significant and identical actions, they should not be treated differently by any referee, it's not the same as an innocuous foul being called or let go.
I'm fairly certain we'd all moan a little less if the rules were applied equally and in a way that makes sense for the majority or every game. This just isn't the case at the moment (although I feel that has little to do with VAR in and of itself).
The same thing happened without VAR or automated tech, too. Worse, without it goals which were perfectly legal were misjudged to have been offside. How is that any better?
I can at least say that if you watch the german league and their refs you will get the opposite experience and get even more annoyed at PL refs.
Which sounds a bit over bearing, but I think it has to be all or nothing. Either var looks at everything, or we just go back to the way it was with one ref and if he misses anything then bad luck. Because this grey area of ‘oh we might review it, depends how we feel that day’ is causing havoc with continuity and consistency game to game. It’s seems like such a subjective process for deciding whether something gets reviewed or overturned.
I'm hoping they implement the current margin for error they are using in their version of the system. I'll be doing my nut if we go back to fingertips, toe nails and boot laces being deemed offside.
This insta post from Jules Kounde gave me a laugh but illustrates the problem:
The line should be the width of a touch line or something. Having your toe nail be offside isn’t what the law was invented for.
Not yet, was meant to be in this season but it keeps getting delayed
I think there should be some level of tolerance. Be it 10cm or whatever - It should basically be a section thats "umpires call" and if the lino has given it onside then it's onside, but if he's given it off then it's off.
It's better because that was all part and parcel of football. I never expected perfection. From players or officials. But because of a load of cry babies who can't cope with human fallibility we've reached the situation we're currently in. A less enjoyable spectacle to watch and the same fans who used to constantly complain about the referees before VAR are still unhappy but now they've decided that corruption is the only possible explanation for what's happening.
Who is the attacker?
Yeah I'm going to hate this so much when we get it in the Prem
It didn't take 3 minutes of scratching your arse to make a final decision. You hated the ref, bemoaned the gods and whinged conspiracy but at least you weren't bored.
Kounde (Number 23 in the Barca shirt)
Comparing apples and oranges is not a good idea. PL refs compared to their counterparts from the continent are really bad.