Because of what a corrupt little racket they are, I’m fully expecting PGMOL to come out on the offensive and change the narrative around this match and announce that United face further sanctions because of the skirmish and “failed to control our players” or some shit.
VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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What a horrendous if not biased refereeing. Unbelievable how he had Arsenal's back right from the first whistle.
Yeah you're right. If we don't do it now at least then we probably never will.
Honestly, from minute one this ref had a agenda against United today.
I was absolutely steaming watching this game, totally unacceptable performance by the referee.
One of the sweetest victories in a long time, these Arsenal players are borderline horrid with their antics, just truly awful.
United under ETH would have folded badly during this game, we faced so much adversity and still found a way to win, our manager is going to work miracles.
I was absolutely steaming watching this game, totally unacceptable performance by the referee.
One of the sweetest victories in a long time, these Arsenal players are borderline horrid with their antics, just truly awful.
United under ETH would have folded badly during this game, we faced so much adversity and still found a way to win, our manager is going to work miracles.
Imagine being so obviously crooked as a ref that RAWK looks like this during a Manchester United game:
Full on 'check his bank account' level stuff.
Full on 'check his bank account' level stuff.
Christ that’s like batman and the joker agreeing.Imagine being so obviously crooked as a ref that RAWK looks like this during a Manchester United game:
Full on 'check his bank account' level stuff.
The penalty decision was poor, but it was odd how we got a foul called against us from our corner, yet not when Arsenal do it
All over the place today, players don't help but....
All over the place today, players don't help but....
Ever since SAF retired, the officiating side of English football has been one big revenge campaign. It's undeniable at this point.
We've done plenty to scuttle our own ship, but it has also been under constant assault from the refs. Cheated time and time again, consistently, season after season. It has had a very real impact on the club's ability (and general inability) to cling to the top. There's a disctinct and plainly visible effort to bring United down, and it's only the witless ABU cries of "no there isn't, shut up!" that prevents it from being brought into the light. It was obvious five or six years ago, but now it's just nakedly corrupt.
Referees don't dare give anything to United, because on the extremely rare occasion that they do, they're drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion. Meanwhile, if they blatantly help our opponents, they face no consequences and are even celebrated for it by our rivals. I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist, but this is not a theory anymore. This is a self-evident fact. It's not the theory of a conspiracy, it's the plainly observable evidence of one.
We've done plenty to scuttle our own ship, but it has also been under constant assault from the refs. Cheated time and time again, consistently, season after season. It has had a very real impact on the club's ability (and general inability) to cling to the top. There's a disctinct and plainly visible effort to bring United down, and it's only the witless ABU cries of "no there isn't, shut up!" that prevents it from being brought into the light. It was obvious five or six years ago, but now it's just nakedly corrupt.
Referees don't dare give anything to United, because on the extremely rare occasion that they do, they're drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion. Meanwhile, if they blatantly help our opponents, they face no consequences and are even celebrated for it by our rivals. I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist, but this is not a theory anymore. This is a self-evident fact. It's not the theory of a conspiracy, it's the plainly observable evidence of one.
I joked on here after he gave them a warning three times and then let the corner play out. I said the first time we do it at a corner he will blow the whistle and sure enough the ball was still in the air when he blew. It’s beyond incompetence, it’s corruption.
Spot on. I have been a top level referee in another sport, having refereed World and European Championship Finals. It is as clear as day that there is consistent corruption against United by all PL officials and that has been the case for the past decade or so. The agenda is set by Sky and the rest of the media. Time for United fans to make a mass boycott of their Sky subscriptions, let it be known publicly and hit their profits.
put the lottery on man!
I've never seen Maguire react like he did today with the referee, in fact I've never seen him that angry ever. Says a lot.
We're already due a sanction for the number of yellows, I think? However I expect something tacked on for 'surrounding the ref'
We will definitely get a fine for failing to control our players today. Nailed on. If we don't, they're publicly admitting the referee was a donkey.
Isn’t there a referees report of some kind, signed off by each team at the end of each game?
Expect to see Havertz banned retrospectively
Any attention on this will inevitably see Ugarte banned
Doubt it, what Ugarte did was very little different from Hojlund on Walker.
Am I the only one who feels like every game I watch without VAR is a breath of fresh air? It’s just a massively improved viewing experience. Makes me so sad we can’t go back to this. And I say this knowing VAR would probably have ruled out that penalty today (although definitely possible it would have found a reason to “go with onfield decision”, which would have been infinitely more annoying than the initial incorrect decision)
But I think with VAR there's at least a chance penalty gets overturned. With VAR Havertz's potential goal (if he wasn't so poor to miss that) is disallowed because he controlled the ball with his hand, without VAR it's not. I get the frustration with VAR but what I hated today is there's nothing to rely on if referee makes a mistake. And a mistake or two here and there is fine, it happens, but think these refs make too many mistakes for us to rely just on them.
Absolutely spot on. Great post.
I don’t know how anyone can say today’s penalty gets reversed when West Ham got awarded an equally incorrect call. And that was contradicting the onfield decision!
With VAR today Garnacho would probably have been sent off, he did the same thing to Havertz that Casemiro did when he was sent off against Palace
Nothing then?
Don't think it would have kicked off as much with VAR as Maguire and United were furious there was no way it was getting overturned. I think with VAR the whole thing doesn't happen.
10 match ban for Casemiro
Chalk that one up to Michhael Oliver.
There’s always someone to blame. We get VAR fiascos basically every weekend.
Makes for a far better viewing experience, I agree. Even if it’s clearly the wrong call, you know it’s final. And there’s no grey areas of things going to var or not going to var, getting pulled back 2 minutes later, 5 minute pitch side reviews…
Just good old fashioned end to end football. I’d go back to it tomorrow.
Sorry, but I prefer having var. In all likelihood they would have overturned that shocking penalty decision that nearly knocked us out.
Var has made good decisions a lot of the time, but people seem to take the good calls for granted and magnify the errors.
Var has made good decisions a lot of the time, but people seem to take the good calls for granted and magnify the errors.
No mate I agree VAR is a shitshow and I'd happily see it loaded into a cannon and fired into the moon. All I'm saying that West Ham decision was absurd and no United fan will be surprised that it was Oliver on VAR that day.
I dislike VAR because it ruins the enjoyment of the game. Nothing to do with the decisions, for me.
Fair enough. But part of the enjoyment of the game for me is when the correct decisions are made.
Yep definitely.
The worst part about VAR is onfield mistakes being held up by VAR. The Romero handball last year, the Bruno red card this season, I think there was a bad one with a handball penalty against Sociedad last year as well. United have probably been fecked over by VAR 20 times in the last few seasons.
I can live with getting fecked over once by an incompetent referee, but it's a harder pill to swallow when the guy who's job it is to watch replays and correct on field mistakes compounds them.
But VAR doesn’t achieve that.
Yep, agree. A human being can miss something at full speed. But another referee continuing to get it wrong with the benefit of unlimited slow motion replays? It just multiplies the frustration.
Holy shit… that’s all the evidence you’ll ever need right there.Imagine being so obviously crooked as a ref that RAWK looks like this during a Manchester United game:
Full on 'check his bank account' level stuff.
They need to bin whether it’s a clear enough error to intervene. Also let a ref make a decision but say “I’m going to take a look to check”.
Not talking every decision… rugby doesn’t look at every decision but gets majority (not all) of calls right i.m.o.
Or bin it but Webb won’t sack his staff.
Ratcliffe could do it for him.
It does more so than the human error of before. There’s been plenty of times this season alone where I’ve said ‘that’s a good decision by var’ and think about how annoying it was before when we just had to eat a blatant error.
VAR is not perfect but it’s the better of two evils for me.
Very true.