He also ignored one of the most blatant handballs you will ever see. From Harry Maguire, near the end. I’m not sure he was biased. Just very very poor.
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He also ignored one of the most blatant handballs you will ever see. From Harry Maguire, near the end. I’m not sure he was biased. Just very very poor.
Yeah that's about the only read of the situation that I can understand that could result in him not being sent off. Even then with so much force so near his opponent it's probably a red.
Either way, it's not the chosen argument that Clattenburg was using to defend his mates last night. Instead he was arguing that the rules don't allow a ref to send someone off if they don't make contact, which is just bollocks. I remembered that from a ref course I took 16 years ago, the least we can expect is refs who have reffed at the top level for god knows how long to accurately be able to recite the laws!
The absolute tripe that “tv refs for hire” come up with to defend their pals is hilarious.
Does the FA (or whichever governing body would be responsible) release a list of of "changes" every season?
The ex-ref they had on Amazon last night said that this season the rules changed so that you have to actually make contact for violent conduct to have happened.
Let's assume that he's not talking out of his arse, why on earth did that change need to happen?
The ex-ref they had on Amazon last night said that this season the rules changed so that you have to actually make contact for violent conduct to have happened.
Let's assume that he's not talking out of his arse, why on earth did that change need to happen?
Sounds like bullshit tbh. Imagine a player clearly swinging a punch at another player's face but the other player dodging it. No card and play on? That wouldn't happen
Swap punch for elbow and that happend last night.
Yep, here:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rule.../football-11-11/2024-25-law-changes-explained
And here for PGMOL:
https://www.premierleague.com/news/4108592
Needless to say, not only is that supposed change not mentioned, the PGMOL guidelines include verbatim the passage from the Laws of the Game stating that a red card shall be given for an attempt to
That's kinda mad that he just made up some utter bullshit to cover for a shitty decision.
Who was on VAR in our game vs Wolves?
Roy Keane got a straight red for a swing and a miss at Shearer. Ref only had a yellow in his hand up to that point.
That attempted elbow was absolutely pathetic and even if he didn't get sent off or banned, I'd be dropping that lad to the bench for a month.
someone called Matt Donohue, who may be a competition winner for all we know.
Yep, and yet again there’ll be nothing done about it. Just as nothing gets done about them making a giant balls up of the rules they are supposed to implement.
The other player didn’t dodge the elbow though. He didn’t need to.
I think he should have been red carded but I sort of can see that the fact the other player is already past him can be seen as a mitigating factor here. But if the reason he didn't get carded is that the ref thought contact had to be made he needs sacking.
What about the look he takes right before he swings?
It's still quite a vicious elbow to be throwing. I don't think it can be categorised as trying to get the player away from him or as a "gesture to the referee" which Clattenburg is trying to claim. That just seems like revisionism to back up the refs decision.
I don't see the logic in Clattenburg's statement at all.
He says he could have been sent off for the attempted contact but that if he wanted to make contact he would have made contact, which seems to be circular argument and a bit of an oxymoron.
Could easily have been a foul for Bruno at the start, but he then tries to trip Guedes and fails and then Cunha, fails the first time, gets him the second. It is an easy yellow, isn't going for the ball, just trips him to stop the attack. 3 attempts to bring down the Wolves player.
The Yoro yellow, Cunha skins him, then Yoro takes him down to stop him, again easy yellow. Fans say too early to give a yellow but these are the same fans crying about Elleray stating Hojlund wasn't a penalty in a derby, so context does or does not matter?
Clattenburgs always been a moron.
If Pedro had wanted to make a gesture to the ref, it’d have been a pulling down motion (being as that player pulled his shirt 2/3/4 times). I think he lost it for a split second, lashed out an elbow but caught himself as he started the motion.
But to say the motion/action doesn’t count despite rules to the contrary is just PGMOL making it up on the fly, to protect useless officials… again. With their SKY plant Dermott to back them up.
What else is new.
I dont get how PL referees are allowed to be obese
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Looking at the Joao Pedro incident last night is there any wonder how we’ve managed so many!
It’s outrageous that you can look at that again and decide it isn’t a red card.
Looking at the Joao Pedro incident last night is there any wonder how we’ve managed so many!It’s outrageous that you can look at that again and decide it isn’t a red card.
Seems pretty clear that the Wolves player gets the ball first and then makes contact with Bruno, unless there's an angle showing that there's contact with Bruno before contact with the ball then it would seem it's a fine decision to let play go on.
He then proceeded to make two weak as feck attempts at winning the ball back, where the only thing he was close to was ankles, before he from behind made the slightest touch.
In the current version of football you can't just take out the man in the garb of got the ball, but I guess some of our fans hate Bruno so much now that stuff like this doesn't matter.
Maybe but I know for myself I am tired of every match thread descending into "The refs are out to get us" hysteria after the first 50/50 call for a throw in on the halfway line goes against Utd.
Seems pretty clear? I'd say he never touches the ball, only crashes into the side of Bruno as he's trying to control it.
This was happening all game and absolutely drove me mad. Watching that happen so many times, while we get called for the slightest of touches, leaves little room for doubt as to the intention of the ref. He even managed to give us a rare freekick when it was clear that the ball had bounced in our favour with clear grass ahead.
Simon Hooper refereeing tomorrow with Paul Tierney on VAR, god help us.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but Pedro committed one of the most obvious red card offences I've seen in years and yet VAR ignored it.
It's been discussed. There was even a discussion about it which continued into this page.
Are you sure your not chat GPT he did not catch the diving Cunha. Was a weak free kick and booking from a one sided ref
I thought Bruno was pointing at how the ref didn’t give a yellow when Gomes clobbered Amad two minutes prior? The same Gomes who received a yellow in the second half and then would have been off according to how the ref dished out cards to united.
It's not his first foul, it is his second. The first foul he makes 5 seconds earlier to which the ref waves advantage. He even attempted another foul in that passage.
He gets dispossessed, cleanly, and then loses his head, begging for a yellow. The second yellow as well, is clear as day. Has a bad touch and then commits on a careless late challenge. Noone else to blame for the sending off but Bruno's stupidity and, yes, indiscipline. This is not disciplined behaviour.
Your a wum
Imo, Wolves players were allowed to barge into United players, who ran with or kept the ball, often pushing with an arm or two. Thus there is no shoulder to shoulder or «duel», it is simply a push and a shove. Those should be free kicks. When United tried the same formula, they were instantly booked. Ugarte reacted, yellow card for throwing the ball away. Minutes earlier, a Wolves players dis the same - nothing.
At least have a consistent line that applies to both teams.
What? Ok, good talk.
Unless Gomes is as dim as Bruno, he probably wouldn't have made that fault if he was already on a yellow.
Fair, there are a few posts, I didn't spot them as the thread is still swamped with posts about Bruno's yellow cards.
Still, it's a farcical decision, one of the worst I've ever seen, it's an incredibly obvious attempt to strike an opponent.
Oliver and PGMOL is well beyond a joke.
Sends Trossard off (second yellow) and Webb defends him saying only following rules and every ref will do this every time. Fine.
So why not today for a City player then? Sooner Webb is sacked the better…. Oliver’s laughing at him.
Sends Trossard off (second yellow) and Webb defends him saying only following rules and every ref will do this every time. Fine.
So why not today for a City player then? Sooner Webb is sacked the better…. Oliver’s laughing at him.
Oh absolutely. Sorry I meant to say so. I don't see how it's not a red myself.
Incredibly inept attempt to strike an opponent, if anything. Or, more likely, not an attempt at all. Seeing as the opponent was long gone before he started waving his elbow in the air.
2:18 Spurs get a pen for Johnson tripping the wolves player. If VAR hasn't got the balls to overturn that then what's the point?
1:00 Again, how is VAR at the very minimum not asking the ref to take another look at this. We've had straight red cards for so much less than this straight leg, studs up challenge.
The complete lack of consistency makes me think it's just there as another way for refs to get the decision they want.