VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Shout out to Hooper today who managed an excellent game and most importantly played the offside advantage from which we broke away and scored.

Always so quick to lambast refs, so wanted to inject some positivity here.
 
simonhch said:
Shout out to Hooper today who managed an excellent game and most importantly played the offside advantage from which we broke away and scored.

Always so quick to lambast refs, so wanted to inject some positivity here.
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Could nitpick some of his missed calls, but he did play advantage a few times for both teams which is always good to see.
 
simonhch said:
Shout out to Hooper today who managed an excellent game and most importantly played the offside advantage from which we broke away and scored.

Always so quick to lambast refs, so wanted to inject some positivity here.
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Never seen him before but thought he was fine.
 
never heard of him before this - but I thought he did a good job today. Yeah he made some mistakes, but it went both ways (e.g. Varane should have got one for tripping Kane from behind). Excellent with the advantage after the offside call.
 
:lol:

Just goes to show though how much going down sells it to the referee. He wouldn't have looked at it twice had Mitrovic not rolled around for three minutes.
 
If you're on VAR and make a mistake so bad it's turned around despite the advantage of replays, you really should be punished
 
duffer said:
A leading referees' charity has called for an inquiry into the touchline behaviour of managers after ugly scenes at several Premier League matches.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63281933



What do we think?

Refs have the power within the current laws to curb this themselves. Start dishing out yellow cards for any any and all dissent and within a few weeks it'll stop.

They could also try being less shit while they're at it.
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The treatment of refs is truly appalling. I hate seeing players crowd the ref and also the worst has to be when they try and follow the ref as they go to watch VAR replays.

Klopp was rightfully sent off for getting in the face of the linesman, but players never get sent off for this as obviously it's more impactuful to the team. Sending off a manager is more symbolic than anything.

But I don't care if we see 5 red cards a month until it's stamped out, if you crowd the ref and shout in his face and protest etc etc then it should be a red, plain an simple. It's only when you watch a sport like rugby and see the respect and authority that a ref has on a game that you appreciate how bad it has become in football.

If we could stamp out this, and finally introduce a stop-clock to stamp out time wasting and feigning injury, I think the improvement on the game would be just massive. Another one should be us able to hear the refs talk to VAR.

Having said that, I agree with your point. The standard of decision making and the consistency of application of the laws needs to be higher, starting with the handball rule. The Liverpool v City match is a good example of the consistency debate. People are pointing to the 'in-game' consistency, which is completely valid, but I thought Oliver missed so many blatant fouls in the name of 'letting the game flow'. The foul on Salah that Klopp got sent off for was so blatant. The Haaland one too.

There has to a way to let the game flow without just letting blatant fouls go. Oliver ran the risk of something like that happening on the goal with the way he refereed the game, and yes unfortunately when a foul leads to a goal it is different, there's no way around that. VAR could have called Oliver up on plenty of wrong calls that just didn't lead to a goal.

Untilamtely, these changes will take years to implement, but to me just a few things could lead to a huge improvement (punishment for dissent and stop clock shouldn't be a big thing).
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah but then “they” are playing with 12, not “we”.

Meh. English isn’t his first language and he’s barely been here half a season. We all know what he’s trying to say anyway.
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It kinda makes sense too, “we” as in we on the pitch, but yeah it’s not his first language.

Still going to hammer them 12 or not..
 
I can’t see why Gomez wasn’t sent off, VVD is way on the other side of the pitch, there’s no way the striker isn’t getting at least a shot off.
Shocking decision.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So they’ve just stopped letting tight offsides develop, have they? Every fecking time there’s been a tight call tonight the whistle’s gone. Including at least one obviously incorrect decision. Load of bollox.
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Same happened in the Liverpool game.

In Liverpool’s favour obviously.
 
Wumminator said:
Oh the game where someone holding a shirt is given as a penalty has come around again. Shame the next 10,000 won’t be given.
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It's a foul. Yes it happens five times per match without consequence but if you're dumb enough to do what McTominay did, you can have no complaints.
 
Jev said:
It's a foul. Yes it happens five times per match without consequence but if you're dumb enough to do what McTominay did, you can have no complaints.
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Well, you can if it’s never given as a foul?
 
Another game. Same standard of decisions against us again. As always, this will just be pushed under the carpet.
 
Jev said:
It's a foul. Yes it happens five times per match without consequence but if you're dumb enough to do what McTominay did, you can have no complaints.
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your argument is that if something that lets go 5 times a game isn’t a foul and then is given we can’t complain?

fecking hell.
 
There’s always been a leniency given to pulling in the box, but few players make it that obvious. Its one of the most blatant pens you’ll see.
 
It’s a pen, but then it should be every time, not just when the ref feels like it like today. And the offside on Bruno looked plain wrong. Sick and tired of it.
 
Chelsea engineered the penalty. They were pushing Mctom around before the penalty and then the Chelsea player was diving from the moment he moved
 
It was definitely a pen. It was more than just a sneaky shirt pull. He was blatantly manhandling him. And it was made even more obvious by the fact the ball was heading straight to them.

Clear penalty.

Although that's not to say the ref was good today. He was poor and gave Chelsea everything. He must have been gutted that he can't overrule his watch.
 
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