What the feck is a "subjective offside"?
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Get rid of it. It's the worst thing to ever happen in football.
If they don't know the rules then why the feck would we let them use it? Scrap the piece of shit, I'd rather be outdone by a human error on the pitch then some gobshite in a camper van in London
If they don't know the rules then why the feck would we let them use it? Scrap the piece of shit, I'd rather be outdone by a human error on the pitch then some gobshite in a camper van in London
If it was Chelsea I'd also expect it to get disallowed. An offside Maguire who attempted to get the ball dragged the Fulham defender towards him to challenge which left Garnacho free. I think the rule and application of the rule for interfering with play sometimes is bollocks but that's another matter.
Must happen in so many set pieces though, an offside player draws players away and like domino's effects the ability to defend.
Compare this to the Akanji one it's hard not to feel hard done by.
Then that would mean, any player in an offside position, regardless of where they are during play, is dragging someone out of position... so offside, right?
Another situation which I guarantee is not enforced consistently, exactly the same as last week.
Tete doesn't even attempt to mark Garnacho, and I'm not even sure he is aware that he is there so how is it clear and obvious that Maguire is interfering? If Maguire had scored or even touched it sure, but he doesn't.
By the letter of the law it is probably just about the correct decision, but players stand in offside positions on virtually every set piece and are technically occupying defenders, which could be considered interference.
Tete doesn't even attempt to mark Garnacho, and I'm not even sure he is aware that he is there so how is it clear and obvious that Maguire is interfering? If Maguire had scored or even touched it sure, but he doesn't.
By the letter of the law it is probably just about the correct decision, but players stand in offside positions on virtually every set piece and are technically occupying defenders, which could be considered interference.
A "subjective offside" ffs.
They're just making it up as they go along
Another one like v City, In that you simply never see something like that given.
If a player is stood in front of the keeper blocking him, yes, but not just standing there not getting near the ball.
They couldn't wait to get that ruled out. Hungrily looking at Evans Maguire, McTom, Garnacho etc.
First time I've heard of it.
What happened to the clear and obvious shite? Is that still part of the protocol?
The cheap pen Vs City to give them 1-0 and now this non existent offside to chalk off our 1-0.
Ten Hag needs to increase the pressure on the refs and roast them like other managers do. We have been too easy and nice to them compared to other clubs.
Ten Hag needs to increase the pressure on the refs and roast them like other managers do. We have been too easy and nice to them compared to other clubs.
It’s only interfering if you when you attempt to play the ball it interferes with the action of the opponent. The ball is too high for either player. He’s not stopped the Fulham player clearing it.
Annoying that another fine margin has gone against us, but it's the right decision this time
But that defender wasn't marking Garnacho! He was attempting to intercept the ball 5 or 6 feet away from garnacho. If you think Maguire influenced the play then by your logic anyone in an offside position when a freekick comes in is also offside because it impacts the defending team.
VAR reviews should have a time limit. 30 seconds or a minute tops. If you don't have a decision in that timeframe, then it's by definition not clear and obvious.
Every freekick someone is initially stood offside and a defender will always adjust according to that defender. It happens multiple times a game.
The subjective part sucks though. Atletico's equaliser against us only came to be, because our defender blocked a pass to someone that was clearly offside, but because he blocked it before the attacker couldtry to play the ball, the play continued and Morata scored.
Atletico had way more advantage of that offside position than United did here, but according to the rules the latter is offsidr and the first isn't.
Atletico had way more advantage of that offside position than United did here, but according to the rules the latter is offsidr and the first isn't.
They didn't give offside for that. They gave offside because he tried to play the ball.
So:
Swing his leg at the air = offside.
Make the same run but keep his feet on the ground = not offside
That's farcical.
An alternative fact
Wait, how do you know that was the reason?
So everyone onside, then Harry gets fouled and the goal is disallowed? Am I getting this right?
I really don't know why the goal was disallowed.
Feck VAR!
I really don't know why the goal was disallowed.
Feck VAR!
That is not in the rules.
Nah thats a poor argument. You can argue than any player in an offside position is impacting play because the defenders have to account for that player being offside, coming back onside, etc.
It doesn't matter. He was impacted by engaging an offside player going for the ball. Maguire isn't even allowed to go for the ball if he's offside.
It's a bit different when Maguire and the defender both dive in for the same ball no ?
Anyway, it's offside. They gave it offside and offside was the correct call.
Nothing to see here.
That's the rule though. If Maguire doesnt make an attempt at the ball it's a goal.
Yea, that's the rule to a certain extent. Clearly he had a direct impact on the defender defending the area where the goal came from.
This gets trotted out a lot and it’s bollocks.
This is getting out of hand. A team needs to be taken off a pitch by a mgr at some point if this continues, maybe in a game already too far lost but something needs to be done.Both MGRS will have to call VAR farce at the end of one of these matches at some point.
I think this is a more obvious example because Maguire literally lunges for the ball.
But lets say an attacker is stood 10 yards in an offside position to "distract the defenders". If that defensive line is even 5 yards deeper to account for that, surely that would be offside in any situation like that? And players stand in offside positions on every single set piece.
But lets say an attacker is stood 10 yards in an offside position to "distract the defenders". If that defensive line is even 5 yards deeper to account for that, surely that would be offside in any situation like that? And players stand in offside positions on every single set piece.
It literally is.
2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
- interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
- interfering with an opponent by:
- preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
- challenging an opponent for the ball or
- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
I just read the offside law and Maguire is allowed to go for the ball unless it impacts a defenders ability to get to the ball. I don't think that defender was getting there even if Maguire didn't exist.
So every time there’s an attacking player offside that isn’t involved in the scoring of a goal, the goal will be ruled out? Right?
Or is it just that specific goal by United?
Or is it just that specific goal by United?
Worst decision I’ve ever seen.
Had it on mute and had to look up who the offside was against even after watching the replay several times
I wouldn’t let them out for the second half unless they replay the first half. United make the PL all their money. Use your fecking power
Had it on mute and had to look up who the offside was against even after watching the replay several times
I wouldn’t let them out for the second half unless they replay the first half. United make the PL all their money. Use your fecking power
It isn't though, is it. The lack of consistency in decisions match to match, and even within matches, is highlighted by VAR.
It comes down to whether that defender was ever getting to the cross if Maguire didn't exist. I say that he wouldn't and the ref thinks otherwise, hence the "subjective offside". It's craziness.
Which one did Maguire do?
VAR is the problem. It’s a shit system regardless of how “well” it may be implemented. It’s killed the game.
Yeah, none of that happened
I agree that if offside takes longer than x seconds (say 30) then it shouldn't be offside, it is ridiculous when they look for minutes to find a slight offside. However, according to the rules this is offside as Maguire tries to play the ball so the call is not incorrect at least.
So which one of these things did Maguire do?
It literally isn’t. Dragging players out of position is not in the rules. It is not a consideration. The second last bullet point is the relevant part and the ball was too high for either player.