To be fair an ex Arsenal and ex City pkayer are the first two people you'd go to for an unbiased opinion on any United decision.
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To be fair an ex Arsenal and ex City pkayer are the first two people you'd go to for an unbiased opinion on any United decision.
Are you blind?
That Keown Onuoha video is amazing. They use Dean's revelations that he ignored the hair pull to say that maybe it's the same here and they're taking the easy decision for United. But we all saw a week ago giving a decision in United's favour is the ultimate contention. A referee was demoted temporarily for that, it was spoken about all week.
So if VAR was looking put for the ref today, surely he tells him to go against United, not for?
So if VAR was looking put for the ref today, surely he tells him to go against United, not for?
Homo erectus weren’t famed for their logic mate
Keown is a massive bell and he's so smug about it. No self awareness.
The Stretford post?
There was an incident during a game today - I can’t recall if it was the Tottenham, Arsenal or West Ham game - where a keeper completely clattered an oppo player with his fists.
I think no foul was given.
Has there been an apology from PGMOL and the referee?
I think no foul was given.
Has there been an apology from PGMOL and the referee?
BBC Sport pundits may not be able to understand it but MOTD had no issue with either decision and neither did the commentators on my river.
It's a soft penalty, it wouldn't be overturned if it wasn't given on field put it that way. But some days you get them some days you don't. Which is the problem really.
I'm not sure there can be to many complaints about the red card. There was very few complaints at the time aswell Worral knew full well what he was doing and the risk he was taking.
The penalty is soft though, but it's not a glaringly bad decision there is contact there just isn't a huge amount of contact and I think Rashford does buy it a bit he's looking for it. But like I say some days you get them for you some days you don't.
I'm not sure there can be to many complaints about the red card. There was very few complaints at the time aswell Worral knew full well what he was doing and the risk he was taking.
The penalty is soft though, but it's not a glaringly bad decision there is contact there just isn't a huge amount of contact and I think Rashford does buy it a bit he's looking for it. But like I say some days you get them for you some days you don't.
That was Brighton's keeper Verbruggen and it has never ever been a foul. It was always the keeper's ball and tbh Soucek was an idiot for even attempting to challenge. He did, but Verbruggen got there first, very clearly so, got full contact with the ball to clear it and then Soucek clattered into him and got knocked out. No foul, and completely different to the Onana incident vs Wolves.
It’s the other way around. The red card is a little soft, as the covering player might have got around.
The penalty is absolutely clear. You can’t make knee to knee contact with someone who is accelerating past you without taking them out. There is just no way that any pundits would be even slightly debating it if that penalty was given for Forest.
Thought the Forest red card was a good decision. Credit to the ref for making a positive decision and not copping out by giving the yellow. Ball sat up perfectly for a first-time finish so it looked like a clear goalscoring opportunity.
‘To say I didn’t send him over because he’s a mate is a farce’he’s upset people are using his own quotes verbatim against him.The more he talks the worse he sounds.
He’s a fecking disgrace, and honestly every decision he’s made over his career should be under scrutiny.
He was terrible in this interview. He didn’t seem to understand that the problem is not whether or not the other referee was his mate. It is that he decided to ignore a clear foul because he didn’t want to send the referee (mate or not) to the TV screen to enable them to make the correct decision, because he was worried about it being a volatile match.
Of course, this all stems from what I regard as the primary issue with the implementation of VAR. What should be happening is a sensible dialogue between the two referees, with the VAR given a view as to whether it is a foul or not, with the intention of getting the right outcome.
Instead, we have this “clear and obvious error” nonsense, where the VAR isn’t just considering whether they consider it to be a foul but also whether it is so much of a foul as to be “clear and obvious”. Aside from the confusion that causes, it also leads to the feeling that they are calling out or punishing the onfield referee by suggesting that they go to the screen, as Dean alludes to here.
Mind-boggling that something so simple can’t be properly implemented.
The red card is one that could go either way, if it's a yellow you can point at a covering defender/Bruno might not get there... if it's a red, you can argue that Bruno is getting there first and shooting and it's an incredibly cynical drag down from the defender. Some refs might err on the side of caution and go with a yellow, this ref went with a red - which is fair enough.
The pen, it's a bit soft, but its still a foul - and is in line with other pens we've seen so far given to Liverpool and Arsenal(?). It's obviously not a dive as there is contact, and once it's given there is zero chance it's overturned.
The pen, it's a bit soft, but its still a foul - and is in line with other pens we've seen so far given to Liverpool and Arsenal(?). It's obviously not a dive as there is contact, and once it's given there is zero chance it's overturned.
New day and it is important to remember that we should have 3 more penalties this season that were ignored. For some strange reasons. Looking at previous season it is just shocking.
New day and it is important to remember lot of desicions have gone against us in games this and lot of other previous seasons.
New day and it is important to stand against ABUism that is spreading like virus in media. For some strange reasons. Maybe jealousy.
New day and it is important to remember lot of desicions have gone against us in games this and lot of other previous seasons.
New day and it is important to stand against ABUism that is spreading like virus in media. For some strange reasons. Maybe jealousy.
Agree with most of that.
Because there's some contact they're not allowed to review it. There can be contact and it can be a dive as well, as we saw with the Liverpool one and Rashford yesterday imo. He can stay on his feet but chooses to go down. For me they've got to change the VAR procedure, ref should be having another look at these calls contact or not and if it's a dive it's a yellow as well.
The current system totally encourages diving if there's any contact regardless of how it occurs or if it's nowhere near enough for the player to go down but they throw themselves to the ground anyway.
The handball is a pen this week
It is made-up bullshit WWE refereeing. We got the decision against Wolves so we couldn't get the decision against Spurs. I've said it before but PL refs don't deserve the respect they ask for. A cabal of cnuts who answer to no-one and make up rules for their "mates."
We were told "player proximity" was the reason we didn't get it.
https://dubz.co/c/e188aa
Compare the two. Alvarez's cross is closer to the defender than Garnacho's shot was to Romero yet they get the penalty.
We were told "player proximity" was the reason we didn't get it.
https://dubz.co/c/e188aa
Compare the two. Alvarez's cross is closer to the defender than Garnacho's shot was to Romero yet they get the penalty.
Those Sheffield United defenders don't look very smart, City will get another penalty
Absolutely incredible and so predictable and some people say it's just a persecution complex with us
The handball is a pen this week
It's an absolute joke. There's zero consistency
Didn't think it would take long for a similar handball to be given. There either both handballs or there both not. Having one given and one not given is frankly embarrassing.
Like to see how there gonna spin this one to say it was the right decision.
Like to see how there gonna spin this one to say it was the right decision.
If I was ETH I’d be on the phone to Howard Webb right now and give him a right earful.
You dont get a foul if you dont go down. Its basically drawing attention to a foul which is distinct from just manufacturing contact. I'd rather they addressed it differently but 30+ years on i think that ship has sailed and it would be idiotic to punish players for it now. Its way too open to interpretation if they could have stayed on their feet and these referee's are completely fecking hopeless with much more clear cut decisions so cant see it ending well.
Not just non-United fans, there are a lot of United fans who have also been gaslight into this and wanting to appear "non-biased", a "rational football fan". That annoys me more tbh.
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LiVARpool at it again like every week. Nailed on second yellow for Arnold.
Ref bottles giving the yellow, as Neville said if Arnold wasn’t already in the book that was a certain yellow
If that first yellow was for anything else he would have got a second yellow then. But the referee decided that it would have been a harsh red because they have no conviction in applying the rules consistently.
Not the slightest! The first yellow was a travesty and the second “challenge” was nothing. I don’t know why the football authorities insist on ruining the game with new, stupid rules every season. This season it’s the yellow for every reaction and the ridiculous amount of time added on. They seem hell bent on removing every bit of passion from the game.
You seem to be applying your own thoughts and feelings rather than the rules of the game. Have you thought about joining the PGMOL?
The biggest issue I have is that they are constantly changing the rules of the game. And very few of these changes benefit the viewing public.
My thin foil hat theory at this point is that they're not trying to create a fair and balanced competition. Its basically wrestling and they're writing story lines and were the heel. Maybe that isn't the intention but we're approaching that territory if were not there.
Any chance there will be national outrage at the non sending off for Trent now?
Stamping out the petulant/time wasting throwing the ball away is an excellent idea. That’s not passhun it’s infuriating.
They’re trying to move towards a more rugby like officiating and level of respect for the referee, players and game in general. It works in rugby and there isn’t a lack of passion there.
The problem is that these referees do not earn the respect like rugby referees do.
The storylines are there to shift attention from the real problem, betting mafias have taken over.
Games are not fixed for result, but for statistics. Now you can bet how many penalties a team will get in a game, how many yellow cards, etc. Easy for a ref to manipulate that.
So when a shady decision goes in our favour, it's easier to hide the real story behind, by just playing the classic old tune: "the refs are in favour of United" duh duh to the media and distract the public, but it's all about the betting mafias pulling their strings.
Without VAR was more harder to see, but now with VAR, the cheating is so much evident. We are going into MMA corruption territory. It's in plain sight.
Refs are becoming a disgrace, I don’t know if that’s to create more chatter and opinions online and in the media or they are genuinely trying to take the no nonsense don’t talk back to me approach as they do in rugby. Seems to be Refs are taking a harder line to gain more respect but are going about it the completely wrong way.
Where the feck did they get 11 minutes of stoppage time from yesterday? How do you add on 25% of an entire half without a real meaningful event? The penalty only took a couple of minutes.
Just seeing the weekend recap. How is the City one a pen but our's against Spurs isn't?
The handball is a pen this week
It was a pen last week too. We all know the only reason we didn't get it was to even up the Wolves game after the backlash they received. Some time in the future one of them will probably admit it in their book.
Talksport having another normal one and choosing a very specific single frame which doesn’t show the foul.