From this photo the newcastle player seems to be missing a left leg, so def a red card in my book
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From this photo the newcastle player seems to be missing a left leg, so def a red card in my book
Easy for the club to send videos of both handballs and ask why there was a difference.
It’s time United put pressure on this bollox
The obvious difference between the two situations is that the ref on the pitch called it, correctly, on the pitch today. That didn't happen last week. It would have been an absolutely mental decision by VAR today to go in and overrule that decision just because a similar situation didn't result in a penalty last week.
They probably thought last week that it wasn't a clear and obvious error from the ref (which I don't agree with), whereas today it's quite clearly not a clear and obvious error by the ref - it's the correct decision. Remember that VAR's job isn't to determine whether it's really a penalty or not, it's their job to determine whether or not the ref made a clear and obvious error in either giving it or not.
They probably thought last week that it wasn't a clear and obvious error from the ref (which I don't agree with), whereas today it's quite clearly not a clear and obvious error by the ref - it's the correct decision. Remember that VAR's job isn't to determine whether it's really a penalty or not, it's their job to determine whether or not the ref made a clear and obvious error in either giving it or not.
Which further highlights why using VAR to correct "clear and obvious" errors is a dreadful use of the system. The whole point of the system should be to reach the correct decision. Anything else is just passing the buck.
If the system still leaves it with someone ultimately going "well, I can see why he's called it that way," they may as well just scrap it.
It’s when you put it like that, that’s it’s absolutely mental.
Sure, you can think that, but that's their job. Which is exactly why these things won't have consistency as long as the on field refs don't take consistent decisions.
I also think it should be used to reach the correct decision, but that's not how it is used as of now. Let's hope it can be tuned in order to make have more consistency in decisions.
VAR should just make the correct decision based on what the footage shows them.
It should be an aid to the referee and what they might have missed.
It’s a simple thing that is being made ridiculously complex
It should be an aid to the referee and what they might have missed.
It’s a simple thing that is being made ridiculously complex
All they have to do is pay 3 nerds who have no interest in sports, to be VAR. They'll just call everything by the rule book.
I'm beginning to wonder if we need the onfield ref to actually make an onfield decision when it comes to red cards and penalties.
Penalty appeals and red card incidents will get looked at by the VAR whatever. The VAR than can simply make a decision based on the video evidence not knowing what the onfield ref originally thought. VAR tells ref there decision if its the same decision as the ref originally thought then they run with it, if there is conflict the onfield ref goes to the monitor to have a look at the footage. Once he has reviewed the footage the onfield ref can make the final decision.
It's not perfect but i think you would get much more consistent decisions and really that's all anyone wants.
The whole clear and obvious stuff just leaves everything up in the air, your still very much at the whim of the man in the middle.
2 clear examples on the inconsistency are our non penalty against spurs to City's awarded penalty against Sheff U. There either both penalties or there neither of them are. Yet one onfield gives it and the other dosent and VAR dosent intervene either way. So what exactly is the criteria for handball? At the moment noone knows.
And then the penalty awarded for Rashford this weekend. That won't get given 9 times out of ten and it won't get overturned whatever decision the on field ref makes. Causing massive inconsistency game to game, again, what is the criteria for a foul leading to a penalty? How much contact and infringment is required? Because currently again noone knows not least the players, the managers, the fans and definetley not the refs.
The clear and obvious nonsense makes them look compleatly clueless and makes it look like they just make it up on the spot.
Penalty appeals and red card incidents will get looked at by the VAR whatever. The VAR than can simply make a decision based on the video evidence not knowing what the onfield ref originally thought. VAR tells ref there decision if its the same decision as the ref originally thought then they run with it, if there is conflict the onfield ref goes to the monitor to have a look at the footage. Once he has reviewed the footage the onfield ref can make the final decision.
It's not perfect but i think you would get much more consistent decisions and really that's all anyone wants.
The whole clear and obvious stuff just leaves everything up in the air, your still very much at the whim of the man in the middle.
2 clear examples on the inconsistency are our non penalty against spurs to City's awarded penalty against Sheff U. There either both penalties or there neither of them are. Yet one onfield gives it and the other dosent and VAR dosent intervene either way. So what exactly is the criteria for handball? At the moment noone knows.
And then the penalty awarded for Rashford this weekend. That won't get given 9 times out of ten and it won't get overturned whatever decision the on field ref makes. Causing massive inconsistency game to game, again, what is the criteria for a foul leading to a penalty? How much contact and infringment is required? Because currently again noone knows not least the players, the managers, the fans and definetley not the refs.
The clear and obvious nonsense makes them look compleatly clueless and makes it look like they just make it up on the spot.
The best part is you can't even appeal it as a yellow, so even when it is blatantly and obviously incorrect, too bad. You can be fined for calling them out, but have no recourse to correct wrong decisions. Mad way to run things and at the same time expect respect and everyone just to be happy with things.
And the refs are gonna complaint to PGMOL that their pride is being hurt and they feel insulted on the pitch.
It is more of protecting the "media-darling" clubs. Refs have no problem with taking ridiculous decisions against us.
The man is shameless.
Forest have lodged an official complaint. Twats. Clear red and clear penalty. Another match full of narrative reffing against us next week now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...est-complaint-over-referee-manchester-united/
"Scott McTominay was given just a yellow card for a kick towards the face of Cheikhou Kouyate."
No mention of Aurier escaping a second yellow for a blatant tactical foul though.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...est-complaint-over-referee-manchester-united/
"Scott McTominay was given just a yellow card for a kick towards the face of Cheikhou Kouyate."
No mention of Aurier escaping a second yellow for a blatant tactical foul though.
First time I've seen that pen from the Sheff game and annoyed me even more we didn't get one against Spurs. All the decisions though, that's what United get.
One is ManUtd. The other is for other teams. We know how we are treated.
Something we should do EVERY game. And should have done for years and years.
Give every ref a wraparound screen on their arms so they don't even need to run over to the cute little VAR nest where they peer at a small screen surrounded by fat twats flicking the Vs and calling him a skinny/bald/fat twat.
Ah so this one was a penalty because the cross would have gone to Haaland, whereas ours against spurs would have *checks notes* been a shot on goal.
Aren't they risking longer bans on their players?
What will be really annoying is if the response is that they agree with two or three of their grievances without setting the record straight that Forest also benefitted from two or three mistakes.
Frivolous appeals only apply for United. So they are fine. Will probably get a written apology, a big apology basket and assurance that United don't get any decisions for the next match day.
How can anyone watch the footage in that tweet before (Scott from ROM) and conclude not a pen?
Officiating in our game against Spurs was a farce. We should also lodged an official complaint if Fulham's goes through.
I've said before, I want United to super petty about ref/var decisions and make a song and dance about it every game if thats what other clubs and the media are doing against us.
I want the manager to call out the clear bias from Sky and BT when reporting about us. Media has way too much power to start ridiculous narratives. SAF used to tell them who was the boss.
We really need to start addressing this shit. Every week some team is bitching and moaning about perfectly legitimate decisions going against them when facing us, then the pile on from the media just increases the pressure on the refs to “even it out” the following game.
Someone needs to post the links of Dermot explaining why United's was not a penalty and why City's was.
Two situations almost identical and yet ( as had been said here ) two different explanations.
Outrageous how the media are with United at the moment.
Two situations almost identical and yet ( as had been said here ) two different explanations.
Outrageous how the media are with United at the moment.
You just know that SAF would have had some choice words before now which would have highlighted the hypocrisy and put pressure back in the right place.
‘To say I didn’t send him over because he’s a mate is a farce’
He’s a fecking disgrace, and honestly every decision he’s made over his career should be under scrutiny.
"Mate" Dean
Aye, no way SAF would allow this to go on without having a word and rightly so.
SAF needs to have a chat with ETH and give him some advice on such things.
Do people really need explanation?
Aye, well kouyate was bending down the stupid bellends.
Yep, Aurier should have been tossed with a second yellow on that blatant foul.
Seriously, I would be having a laugh if Forest end up relegated because refs decided to award more penalties against Forest and to deny Forest's penalty claims as a direct result of this official complaint. PGMOL will not be very kind against any club going down that route. And that's not saying that Steve Cooper is one ugly motherf'er.
Funny how they said the city pen was a pen as the defenders arms were in the air, yet the spurs bloke schmeichal startfished from further way toward the ball but that wasn’t a pen. All they kept saying was it was going to halland as if it was a garunteed goal, never mind he’d have to control it or get a shot on target first where as the United claim was actually a shot on target too. Bizarre
It is not bizarre. The agenda seems to be on purpose. And I am pretty sure that the agenda of what to talk about and what not to talk about on TV comes from the bosses.
JWP playing volleyball in his own pen box