VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

The PL game continues to get faster and there's so much action and incidents that happen.

Why doesn't football or the PL ever consider having 2 on pitch refs who work in tandem. We see it in many sports. It's not a case of overruling one another but bring thorough
 
The mindset is baffling. Imagine if nurses refused to check each other’s IV drug administration in case they undermined their colleagues?

I knew Sharon was having a tough week. The last thing she needed was me pointing out she was about to inject that neonate with 10x the prescribed dose

It's the mindset because they can do it 100x over and not lose their job, and they can do it 1,000x over and no one ever reviews or investigates why it keeps happening or recommends any changes to how they do their job. It's always explained away as the job being difficult, and the idea of a lack of integrity or accountability being anything to do with it is laughed off, despite the obvious irony of that. In fact not only laughed off but you're heavily punished as a manager or player for even suggesting it.

If I was a PL manager and I suggested that "I wanted to help my mate" or "I wanted tottenham to self implode" were not unbiased or integrity maintaining methods for officials to base their decision making on, and that i didn't want said officials refereeing my team's games, due to them having no integrity and possibly being corrupt, I'd be bringing the game into disrepute. Yet if Michael Oliver decided that he also didn't want to cause his mate any grief during the game this weekend amd deliberately got decisions wrong, nothing would happen.
 
The PL game continues to get faster and there's so much action and incidents that happen.

Why doesn't football or the PL ever consider having 2 on pitch refs who work in tandem. We see it in many sports. It's not a case of overruling one another but bring thorough

I've been advocating for this for like 20 years. It helped hockey and with the size of a football pitch it would greatly help on-field calls with a ref on either side of the pitch, one with play and one trailing play at all times.
 
The best thing that could happen to the premier league is the PGMOL being abolished and replace with a completely independent body.
  • On field match officials are an entirely separate body to VAR officials and there is no professional mixing of the two.
  • All referee and VAR communications are published at the end of the match.
  • All VAR incidents are explained in real time by VAR officials, the public see the footage they are reviewing and listen to their discussions and reasoning - a report is produced of all decisions made and the reasoning behind them and published after the game.
  • The referee has to produce a report after the game explaining all their big decisions. If they miss any decisions, a club has the right to ask why they decided to omit it and for an explanation of the incident.
  • Referee performance is recorded with an Independent panel reviewing each match, grading the referee and recording the number of mistakes they make tracking who it benefits and who it costs.
  • If a referee is deemed to be a statistical outlier for a certain team, either benefiting them or costing them outside a certain threshold then they are removed from future matches for that team.
  • All 20 teams have a representative on the independent body who have the ability to review all processes and raise concerns.
This! This should be the minimum but I can guarantee they will not be doing any of this anytime soon.
 
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This! This should be the minimum but I can guarantee they will not be doing any of this anytime soon.
All we needed and hoped from var is consistency. That's the purpose of it to give fair refereeing consistently with evidence they have before them.

Never wanted to accuse on field referees because it's difficult job and they missed things in real time and completely understood.

But VAR should never let their personal feeling dominate them when they make decisions. They have evidence to do the right thing but failed to be truthful to their job is utter disgrace.
 
‘To say I didn’t send him over because he’s a mate is a farce’ :lol: he’s upset people are using his own quotes verbatim against him.The more he talks the worse he sounds.

He’s a fecking disgrace, and honestly every decision he’s made over his career should be under scrutiny.

 
‘To say I didn’t send him over because he’s a mate is a farce’ :lol: he’s upset people are using his own quotes verbatim against him.The more he talks the worse he sounds.

He’s a fecking disgrace, and honestly every decision he’s made over his career should be under scrutiny.



What he’s actually saying is worse. He seems to think people are annoyed because they’re friends and he’s looking after a friend. People are annoyed because of exactly what he’s admitting here. He’s saying the quiet bit out loud, he thinks his job as a VAR official isn’t to ensure the match is officiated correctly, it’s to “protect” his colleague and he’s prepared to ignore the rule book to do just that.

fecking exactly what people have suspected and the concerns we have all raised.
 
‘To say I didn’t send him over because he’s a mate is a farce’ :lol: he’s upset people are using his own quotes verbatim against him.The more he talks the worse he sounds.

He’s a fecking disgrace, and honestly every decision he’s made over his career should be under scrutiny.


 
"I didn't deliberately give the wrong decision just to cover for him because he's a friend. I'd have done the same for any other referee too"
 
Yeah we cannot complain about VAR at the moment. Was a clear dive. The state of refereeing in this country. Masking another poor performance.
 
Seems they added some time from the first half to the second, once we’re up :rolleyes:
 
We'd be fuming if VAR didnt overturn that at the other hand.
Yeah we cannot complain about VAR at the moment. Was a clear dive. The state of refereeing in this country. Masking another poor performance.
Are you kidding? He knocked Rashford’s right leg onto his heel and it tripped him
 
Yeah we cannot complain about VAR at the moment. Was a clear dive. The state of refereeing in this country. Masking another poor performance.
Deary me. There was clear contact with his knee. If that was our defender making that challenge they'd be getting all kinds of stick.

We didn't play well, but the referee wasn't the reason we won.
 
Not VAR related, but why didnt Gibbs White get a second yellow for asking for a yellow? Why wasnt Aurier booked for the second time for a foul that was clearly a bookable offence?

And the keeper getting a yellow isnt a big deal, but the Onana yellow was stupid.

Why the feck are they so inconsistent?
 
Not VAR related, but why didnt Gibbs White get a second yellow for asking for a yellow? Why wasnt Aurier booked for the second time for a foul that was clearly a bookable offence?

And the keeper getting a yellow isnt a big deal, but the Onana yellow was stupid.

Why the feck are they so inconsistent?
The rule is stupid. I applaud a bit of common sense being applied.
First half Antony asked for a yellow, didn’t get one. 3/4 Forest players ran up to ask where is he yellow which. In turn, would have seen them booked as well.
Feck all that
 
The Rashford booking was a joke today, refree needs his eyes checked. How is it a foul if his own player pushed him over.
 
Pen is a pen, a soft one, but the defender knew he done fecked up. Maybe they could argue that the covering defender could get across and avoid the red, but it was dumb defending from Worrall.
 
The rule is stupid. I applaud a bit of common sense being applied.
First half Antony asked for a yellow, didn’t get one. 3/4 Forest players ran up to ask where is he yellow which. In turn, would have seen them booked as well.
Feck all that
I mustve missed that.. he deserves a yellow as well... Or no one does..

They either implement it all the time or dont.. Inconsistency is the problem..

The Aurier one was a clear booking ..
 
Are you kidding? He knocked Rashford’s right leg onto his heel and it tripped him
This is what happens when you show morons slow motion video of an incident that happened at speed. Kenny Cunnnigham and other pundit idiots struggle with it too.
 
It'll be interesting to see what the media says about media darlings Brighton's goalkeeper's two-handed punch in the head of an airborne opponent.
 
Some Forest loon on 606 saying that they've given the pen and red today to avoid a riot at Old Trafford. And by they he means the whole "football system" whoever that is. :lol: :p:wenger:
 
Some Forest loon on 606 saying that they've given the pen and red today to avoid a riot at Old Trafford. And by they he means the whole "football system" whoever that is. :lol: :p:wenger:
A drunken caller?

The Rashford booking was a joke today, refree needs his eyes checked. How is it a foul if his own player pushed him over.
Calling it as a foul was a poor decision by the ref but I think he got booked for his reaction, kicked the ball away hitting the ball boy.



This is what happens when you show morons slow motion video of an incident that happened at speed. Kenny Cunnnigham and other pundit idiots struggle with it too.
He's awful, Paul Merson sounds smart in comparison