The ref has created controversy for himself out of nothing by trying to be clever. It's a clear as day foul but he wanted to show how brave he is to not give the obvious decision by giving the free kick.
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Anyone seen @MayosNoun ?
OMG the amount of stupid people thinking it wasn't a foul. Seriously just stop watching football altogether, this sport ain't for you
Tierney clearly wanted the game to flow, props to him for that but he made a serious error that lead to a goal and it was corrected by var .
Where is the issue?
Where is the issue?
How is this even in question?
The referee and VAR got a lot of things horrifyingly wrong this weekend, Odegaard's clear foul on Eriksen is not one of them.
The Sky panel are baffling me over this one.
The referee and VAR got a lot of things horrifyingly wrong this weekend, Odegaard's clear foul on Eriksen is not one of them.
The Sky panel are baffling me over this one.
Strange that the studs over the top of the ball into Bruno’s shin wasn’t checked either.
Tierney should've given the free kick immediately, because it was obviously a foul, but when he didn't I don't think the goal should have been disallowed. But that's more to do with how VAR functions than the decision itself.
He's a cnut ref by the way, gave almost everything to Arsenal today (and the VAR situation wouldn't have happened if he had done his job in the first place).
He's a cnut ref by the way, gave almost everything to Arsenal today (and the VAR situation wouldn't have happened if he had done his job in the first place).
The VAR/ref decision re. Ødegaard and Eriksen was obviously correct.
Only thing is, VAR sucks the life out of the game. And this was yet another example of that. Which is why it's being discussed--even if the pundits seem to get the premise wrong.
Only thing is, VAR sucks the life out of the game. And this was yet another example of that. Which is why it's being discussed--even if the pundits seem to get the premise wrong.
Owen thinks it's a foul but still shouldn't be called, no wonder there are so many hilarious takes.
he’s a bluffer
I do think that you reap what you sow. Bruno is his own worst enemy, he goes down easily far to often. In this instance it was a red card offence but referees because of previous instances think its another fake. VAR should have red carded Sako.
Great use of it today. Unless going through the back of someone and getting nowhere near the ball is no longer a foul, as Gary Neville seems to think.
It's insane, Ericssoon was in control and some bozo goes through the back of him and then Arsenal go and score and disallowing it is controversial???
Quite interesting actually is that if you go on the ‘Soccer’ subreddit the reaction to this was overwhelmingly agreeing with the decision. Arsenal fans, Liverpool, City etc..
Yet 2 out of 3 pundits say it’s an awful decision….
Yet 2 out of 3 pundits say it’s an awful decision….
Sky went on for 45 minutes about how soft the Odegaard free was, but not once in 2 and a half hours of coverage was one of these mentioned as soft:
I agree Bruno isn’t going to get those types of challenges picked up by the ref as often as others due to his diving, but again, this is precisely what var is supposed to be for.
Both that challenge and the vvd one (which was even worse) not even looked at.
The whole thing needs a reset.
Chelsea fans crying about VAR this weekend? Seriously?
Ødegaard himself kept moaning about it for the rest of the game, then in the interviews after, the cnut. You know you got all of the player and none of the ball, you punchable wanker, so what the feck are you whinging about?
Then there's the take that if he'd gotten a toe on the ball, it'd have been OK, as if touching the ball nullifies anything that came before it. No, it would still have been a foul, seeing as how he basically went through Eriksen to get to it.
Then there's the take that if he'd gotten a toe on the ball, it'd have been OK, as if touching the ball nullifies anything that came before it. No, it would still have been a foul, seeing as how he basically went through Eriksen to get to it.
It’s so fecking shit. Two of our three goals looked like borderline offside so you can’t properly celebrate until after the VAR review. Which is not what watching a game of football is supposed to be like. It is quite literally ruining the game. And for what? Every weekend we still deal with loads of bad decisions and officiating errors. Such a shitty innovation.
Yep. We've had a couple ruled out for it. Off the top of my head one against Burnley for a foul by Shaw near our own box and one against Spurs (which was actually a soft foul) for a foul by McTomminay.
It's a pretty normal occurrence. I'm not 100% sure how far back they will go.
I’m on the other side, I love celebrating twice!
Yup, couldn’t agree more.
With a few exceptions, the rules of football are down to subjective interpretation. There’s no technology you can employ that will negate that fact.
Sacrificing the speed, intensity, and flow of the game for slightly more accurate judgement calls is a terrible decision. In my opinion, it truly strangles much of what’s beautiful about the game.
Yep, give the foul instantly, and there's absolutely no story.
This is the key point. The directive given to refs this season to keep the game flowing will cause more of the same issues. Refs should just be allowed to call a foul a foul.
I still think a challenge system is the way to go. Every team gets one per game. If you think an egregious mistake has been made you challenge. That way we can avoid the glaring error that has cost teams important results but also avoid constant stop start checking of goals etc.
Totally agree, i would like to think that EtH would have a word in his ear and point this out, however i doubt this will happen. In the long term it would help both United and Bruno. Can live in hope
The bar to VAR intervention is way too low and in the premier league, VAR always supercedes the ref on the pitch.
VAR should never be telling the on pitch ref what decision they should take.
Show them the footage, then it's the on pitch ref's decision! They're totally undermined by the current system.
Plus you have selective reviewing, so fouls like the VVD tackle don't even get looked at again.
For offsides, VAR can move where offside is by moving the vertical line around. We can see the difference between Rashford v Liverpool and other calls. There should be a much greater onside gray area to compensate for that.
The whole system is a mess. The league already hadps 3 "admitted" mistakes this season. We Chelsea, have had two go for us and one against
It really shouldn't be that hard to fix though with someone competent in charge. Sooner Webb is in the better.
VAR should never be telling the on pitch ref what decision they should take.
Show them the footage, then it's the on pitch ref's decision! They're totally undermined by the current system.
Plus you have selective reviewing, so fouls like the VVD tackle don't even get looked at again.
For offsides, VAR can move where offside is by moving the vertical line around. We can see the difference between Rashford v Liverpool and other calls. There should be a much greater onside gray area to compensate for that.
The whole system is a mess. The league already hadps 3 "admitted" mistakes this season. We Chelsea, have had two go for us and one against
It really shouldn't be that hard to fix though with someone competent in charge. Sooner Webb is in the better.
It is exactly like that. So you are arguing for something that is already there.
Fouls that lead to goal scoring opportunities are supposed to be reviewed by VAR. Before Martinelli even scored I was thinking “surely they are going to pull that back”, so it didn’t surprise me when they did.
They did it pretty quickly and it didnt “suck the life and soul” out of the game. That kind of talk is histrionic.
They did it pretty quickly and it didnt “suck the life and soul” out of the game. That kind of talk is histrionic.
Everyone on MOTD agreed it was a foul, even Ian Wright
At least our one was an actual foul.
So you would be perfectly ok with a last minute “offside by 6 inches” goal for spurs to deny us top 4?
The main factor here is he didn't even play for the ball. If he had aimed somewhere near the ball , the goal would have stood 100%. But this is not it.
The fact that it took so long for ref to review because he had wanted his decision to stand but he could not. It's a clear error as it gets
The fact that it took so long for ref to review because he had wanted his decision to stand but he could not. It's a clear error as it gets
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Much more likely a decision by the ref is upheld than the other way around.
I can’t stand diving (and I’m aware our players do it too) but var is supposed to be there when even the cheats get clobbered .
Will be interesting to see how Antony goes as apparently he has a rep for this.
One thing people aren’t taking into account:
The refs have now been told to hold off on calls and allow continuation in the knowledge that they have VAR available.
People saying “if he saw it, it should be a foul” are not considering that maybe he DID see it, and didn’t want to deny a fast break opportunity if he was wrong. VAR works both ways. If they had stopped play there and been WRONG about the call, then they would have denied Arsenal a goal for no reason.
So while it may feel especially bitter for teams that lose a goal to accept , that’s how the process is supposed to work. Otherwise there would be quicker whistles and you probably wouldn’t get the chance for that goal at all.
The refs have now been told to hold off on calls and allow continuation in the knowledge that they have VAR available.
People saying “if he saw it, it should be a foul” are not considering that maybe he DID see it, and didn’t want to deny a fast break opportunity if he was wrong. VAR works both ways. If they had stopped play there and been WRONG about the call, then they would have denied Arsenal a goal for no reason.
So while it may feel especially bitter for teams that lose a goal to accept , that’s how the process is supposed to work. Otherwise there would be quicker whistles and you probably wouldn’t get the chance for that goal at all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62787324
Basically admission that the West Ham and Newcastle goals should not have been ruled out over the weekend.
Both incidents will be reviewed.
Basically admission that the West Ham and Newcastle goals should not have been ruled out over the weekend.
Both incidents will be reviewed.
that is what they literally do.
No they don't, they're obviously told what to do. Never been a single case in the premier league of a ref not going with VAR.
When VAR was first used in the premier league, they didn't have the screens. It's the same now, screen is just for show imo.
You can see it clearly this weekend. Show 10 refs those mistakes and see how many don't spot them.
It's really ironic seeing arse fans claiming they should be given an unfair goal, because "technically it's not how VAR is used"