VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

terraloo said:
Law 12 in Football is clear . If you kick or attempt to kick a player it’s a foul. No mention of was it deliberate was it intentional that’s the law as written.
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What you are ignoring is the boat comes before that:

“ A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
charges”

Was it careless, reckless or using excessive force? No it wasn’t.
 
Souness on Talksport saying that the mendy/bowen decision was correct. Bowen could have had his studs into mendy therefore endangering the opponent. So the decision was correct.

I wonder what he thinks of VVD's shin breaker on Onana?
 
Krny said:
That Eriksen one is definitely a foul. Haven't actually seen the full event, was the foul immediately before the build up started for the goal?

Just seen Ref Watch on Sky sports they are saying the one on Fernandes isn't a red. Have to strongly disagree with them. That type of tackle is so dangerous. Reminds me of the one on Dani Alves that Pepe got sent off , there was contact , it was minimal, but that was only because Alves had stopped his follow through after his clearance. Both are lunges where you know you aren't get the ball and you want leave something on the player.
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One pass later Martinelli was 1on1 with De Gea. Not that it matters in the end.
 
Ayoba said:
Souness on Talksport saying that the mendy/bowen decision was correct. Bowen could have had his studs into mendy therefore endangering the opponent. So the decision was correct.

I wonder what he thinks of VVD's shin breaker on Onana?
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Had his foot been on his ankle backward. Souness is a washed up old alky.
 
AbafanaBesthende said:
This literally happened this weekend. Michael Oliver gave a penalty to Forest for a Bournemouth handball, got told to check it by VAR and stuck with his original decision…
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That's the first time ever then I think. Makes you wonder why it took that long.
 
Was a clear foul and Lokonga was lucky not to be sent off on his challenge on Bruno
 
My issue with what’s happening now is we already have a huge issue with time wasting and actually watching a football match (think we’re losing about 20-25mins of football every game as it stands) and this will just give teams more strings to their bow for time wasting and stopping play.

Any contact on a keeper seems to be impossible now and so keepers will go down under any challenge and stay down if they have missed the ball. Same for the Jesus head stoppage yesterday - United dispossess him in a dangerous area and he fell and bumped his head. I have no issue if the ref decides the game has to stop but then enforce the concussion testing for players involved and allow a temporary sub or something. Because Arsenal basically avoided getting countered right outside their box because Jesus landed awkwardly after a poor touch allowed us to nick the ball.
 
Mb194dc said:
That's the first time ever then I think. Makes you wonder why it took that long.
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There was at least one before. Attwell failed to give a penalty when a Chelsea player punched the ball clear against United. He was told to go and check the replay and still decided that punching the ball clear wasn’t penalty worthy.
 
The only reason people think that Eriksen wasn't fouled was because he is wearing our kit. If he was wearing a Brentford kit no one would even bat an eyelid over it, other than crying Arsenal fans of course because the whole FA is conspiring against them as they are the best team in the world that will only lose games because of referees.
 
Some of the interpretations are so badly written, and so ambiguous it genuinely makes me believe that this is all because we as humans love controversy and would rather talk about refereeing decisions than football. Certainly makes pundits' jobs easier. Rather than actually impart football knowledge, ex-pros can make millions stirring the pot.

The main issue just stems from how football works: for almost all on-pitch fouls there is no definitive 'rule' - it's always up the inpretation of the match officials. And they're different. Playing a game with Mike Dean is totally different from this new Aussie-ref, who let's everything go. Hell, some weeks Mike Dean let everyhing go, others he was super pendatic. It's just the nature of the sport. It's inaccurate.
 
TheReligion said:
So they all agreed it’s a foul
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They work for the league and their main aim is protecting the brand. They're not impartial in the slightest. Same goes for Dale Johnson at ESPN. Pretty much a full time PR person who's job is to defend VAR unless there is absolutely no way possible to do so.

They won't admit that there are frankly some pretty massive mistakes every single week. It damages the product they're paying billions for.

If the ref called it a foul, I wouldn't have a problem with it per Utd game yesterday. It's re-refereeing an incident the ref has already seen that's the issue. I can also see why it wouldn't be called and the ref evidently didn't think it was a foul when he saw it live. You'll see similar incidents to that not called as fouls in the premier league all season long. Hell, the refs are told to let those kinds of incidents go to let the game flow.

What are they showing on the monitor that changes anything. Same goes for the VAR overturn against Leicester goal when they played us and the West Ham incident. Obviously we got done against Spurs too.

There have only been 6 games this season! It's absolutely laughable how much of a mess the refereeing and VAR in the league are.
 
Mb194dc said:
They work for the league and their main aim is protecting the brand. They're not impartial in the slightest. Same goes for Dale Johnson at ESPN. Pretty much a full time PR person who's job is to defend VAR unless there is absolutely no way possible to do so.

They won't admit that there are frankly some pretty massive mistakes every single week. It damages the product they're paying billions for.

If the ref called it a foul, I wouldn't have a problem with it per Utd game yesterday. It's re-refereeing an incident the ref has already seen that's the issue. I can also see why it wouldn't be called and the ref evidently didn't think it was a foul when he saw it live. You'll see similar incidents to that not called as fouls in the premier league all season long. Hell, the refs are told to let those kinds of incidents go to let the game flow.

What are they showing on the monitor that changes anything. Same goes for the VAR overturn against Leicester goal when they played us and the West Ham incident. Obviously we got done against Spurs too.

There have only been 6 games this season! It's absolutely laughable how much of a mess the refereeing and VAR in the league are.
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VAR automatically checks all goals though right? So the Arsenal and West Ham goals would have been checked anyway?

The Cucurella foul was a different scenario.
 
Can't believe there are still posts saying it's not a foul or goal should have been given to Arsenal. It's not even 50-50 where both players goes shoulder to shoulder, Odegaard pushed him from back and then caught his leg. As clear as it can get and no ref didn't see that in real time, he missed the contact that's why he changed his decision.
 
Mb194dc said:
They work for the league and their main aim is protecting the brand. They're not impartial in the slightest. Same goes for Dale Johnson at ESPN. Pretty much a full time PR person who's job is to defend VAR unless there is absolutely no way possible to do so.

They won't admit that there are frankly some pretty massive mistakes every single week. It damages the product they're paying billions for.

If the ref called it a foul, I wouldn't have a problem with it per Utd game yesterday. It's re-refereeing an incident the ref has already seen that's the issue. I can also see why it wouldn't be called and the ref evidently didn't think it was a foul when he saw it live. You'll see similar incidents to that not called as fouls in the premier league all season long. Hell, the refs are told to let those kinds of incidents go to let the game flow.

What are they showing on the monitor that changes anything. Same goes for the VAR overturn against Leicester goal when they played us and the West Ham incident. Obviously we got done against Spurs too.

There have only been 6 games this season! It's absolutely laughable how much of a mess the refereeing and VAR in the league are.
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This reads as if you’re trying too hard after Chelsea’s blatant robbery imo
 
Mb194dc said:
You'll see similar incidents to that not called as fouls in the premier league all season long.
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You'll see a much higher number of those types of fouls given than not given.

If you'd like some evidence, you can pick literally any game ever in the history of football and watch for the fouls if you want.
 
Mb194dc said:
They work for the league and their main aim is protecting the brand. They're not impartial in the slightest. Same goes for Dale Johnson at ESPN. Pretty much a full time PR person who's job is to defend VAR unless there is absolutely no way possible to do so.

They won't admit that there are frankly some pretty massive mistakes every single week. It damages the product they're paying billions for.

If the ref called it a foul, I wouldn't have a problem with it per Utd game yesterday. It's re-refereeing an incident the ref has already seen that's the issue. I can also see why it wouldn't be called and the ref evidently didn't think it was a foul when he saw it live. You'll see similar incidents to that not called as fouls in the premier league all season long. Hell, the refs are told to let those kinds of incidents go to let the game flow.

What are they showing on the monitor that changes anything. Same goes for the VAR overturn against Leicester goal when they played us and the West Ham incident. Obviously we got done against Spurs too.

There have only been 6 games this season! It's absolutely laughable how much of a mess the refereeing and VAR in the league are.
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Yesterday there were two free kicks given against United for almost exactly the same foul, and this was after the VAR incident. I even tagged you in the match day thread to ask for your thoughts on whether they were fouls, but you didn't reply. So clearly, those incidents ARE being called as fouls. Because they are fouls.
 
What’s Sue talking about it’s not clear and obvious, when the 3 of them obviously think it’s a foul. Idiot.
 
Escobar said:
They seem confused. The woman says yes it is a clear foul but she would not go back to disallow the goal.... :wenger:
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The ref clearly initially thought he’d got the ball using some physicality. On review, it was apparent he’d literally pushed Eriksen over, got nowhere near the ball, and it was an obvious foul. It’s a rare occasion when Dermot is the only one making any sense (even though I suspect he’d have been saying exactly the opposite if the goal had been given).
 
Doracle said:
The ref clearly initially thought he’d got the ball using some physicality. On review, it was apparent he’d literally pushed Eriksen over, got nowhere near the ball, and it was an obvious foul. It’s a rare occasion when Dermot is the only one making any sense (even though I suspect he’d have been saying exactly the opposite if the goal had been given).
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Pushed, clipped, not touching the ball. If that is not a foul, what is? Especially if you score straight after
 
roonster09 said:
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That’s a red card, all day long.

They should really introduce a new technology where another referee can constantly review video footage to pick up foul play that the onfield referee misses. I mean, it would slow the game down constantly and take a lot of the joy out of goal celebrations but at least we could be certain that incidents like that will never go unpunished.
 
In a way VAR is actually paying the price for the PL’s popularity. This league is so big that every decision seems to be a talking point and people just won’t accept anything . Removing VAR is going to do nothing and we will just have the old discussions again
 
roonster09 said:
Can't believe there are still posts saying it's not a foul or goal should have been given to Arsenal. It's not even 50-50 where both players goes shoulder to shoulder, Odegaard pushed him from back and then caught his leg. As clear as it can get and no ref didn't see that in real time, he missed the contact that's why he changed his decision.
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The problem is that every decision is called either way, depending on the players involved, the teams involved, the refs involved, and a dozen other factors. I can look at that and hear clear as day from back in the day, "After all, it is a man's game." Or "shoulder to shoulder" which often seems to involve a lot more than shoulders and is used to excuse a lot of contact.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
In a way VAR is actually paying the price for the PL’s popularity. This league is so big that every decision seems to be a talking point and people just won’t accept anything . Removing VAR is going to do nothing and we will just have the old discussions again
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The old discussions were forgotten about by the next match. Var disasters never leave.
 
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