AltiUn
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Doesn't he essentially have 3 years left on his contract, as we have the +1 option?
Correct. Option until summer 2028 I thinkDoesn't he essentially have 3 years left on his contract, as we have the +1 option?
Yeah but the issue is that the 24 others would be sold at big losses. We are in a financial hole and need to accept the reality that some academy players may need to be sold unfortunately. Chelsea, City, and Liverpool have been doing it years.If INEOS don't understand what selling Mainoo would mean to United fans, they might as well pack it all up now.
If our squad is made up of 25 senior players, I'd pick 24 to sell ahead of Mainoo.
Wheeler isn't exactly a trustworthy source , but what Athletic are essentially suggesting is that each bid would be assessed Unemotionally and that's the way it should be unlike drama llama's here .You will be blocked and warned by the mods. I have received warnings and points Deductions for putting up that thread of news being reported.
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I don’t think there’s enough in the story for me to even consider him wanting to leave right now. I just don’t see it.Would be gutted if Mainoo leaves, but have any of you considered it might be him that’s keen to go rather than for us to sell?
Yeah but the issue is that the 24 others would be sold at big losses. We are in a financial hole and need to accept the reality that some academy players may need to be sold unfortunately. Chelsea, City, and Liverpool have been doing it years.
Sounds more like his side is angling for a new contract and using interest from other clubs as leverage.Would be gutted if Mainoo leaves, but have any of you considered it might be him that’s keen to go rather than for us to sell?
Exactly how I interpreted it. He has a long-term contract with us, so a new one shouldn't be a high priority right now, but I think we'll end up giving him a new one anyway to reflect his more important role in the squad now.It’s this more likely an effort by his entourage to gauge his market value in terms of salary, so that they can negotiate a good contract with United?
Well yeah, the reason we're in this mess is because we have being consistently wasting hundreds of millions on average at best players. We have already seen the club slightly change their approach to signings - bringing in lower risk signings like Kone, Obi-Martin and Leon.It would make more sense if we didn’t then plan to spend the money on more magic beans.
It’s all well and good pointing to PSR, but I think our problems are not just accounting ones, but that we actually seem to be lacking in cash. If we sold Mainoo, we’d need to replace him and it’s not hard to envisage a scenario where we end up spending more money than we get trying to replace him. I have little confidence in whoever decides on our transfers.
Selling him to take more wild punts feels akin to a problem gambler chasing his losses.
Doesn't he essentially have 3 years left on his contract, as we have the +1 option?
Well, he's under contract for 3.5 more years. Unless he's holding out, I'd probably wait another year or so to let him establish himself more and make his value clearer. There's no need to dish out a large contract at the moment.Unfortunately this is the other side of the coin in terms of managing our wage bill sensibly, and managing young talent.
It's all well and good saying that we shouldn't dish out ridiculous contracts to youngsters, but what happens when they're being offered significantly more elsewhere? Maybe if we're sailing high there's a pull which convinces them to stay even if our offer is lower, but even then it can't be significantly lower.
So the question is what's worse, losing a potentially amazing talent because we want to stand firm in terms of not overpaying unproven youth players - or overpaying him and possibly ending up with a Rashford/Sancho situation where we're rewarding potential rather than achievement, thus risking sustaining our culture of entitlement and mediocrity?
That's where I think we need to be much better at judging a player's potential and mentality, but that's easier said than done.
Well yeah, the reason we're in this mess is because we have being consistently wasting hundreds of millions on average at best players. We have already seen the club slightly change their approach to signings - bringing in lower risk signings like Kone, Obi-Martin and Leon.
I don't think we should sell Mainoo and he would obviously need replacing, but if Rashford and / or Garnacho don't attract big offers we might run out of options. Especially with the rebuild needed, the manager needs a lot of new players because the previous manager has somehow made us worse having spent so much.
We have just been so poorly run and now the potential of losing big academy talents is a result of this.
Yes but clubs always check in with agents like this.Doesn't he essentially have 3 years left on his contract, as we have the +1 option?
Definitely agree, particularly your last paragraph.I see where you’re coming from, but I’m not convinced that selling the good players we have for the manager to bring in his own players is much better than what happened under the last regime.
The three of the players you have mentioned are the wild punts/magic beans variety, with no guarantee that any of them end up playing for the first team. Yes they’re cheap, but they aren’t guaranteed and we’d need to buy quite a lot of those kinds of players to end up with one of the level that Kobbie is currently at, let alone the future levels he may be able to achieve.
If there was a Van Persie out there who we could go and buy, selling Mainoo might be a conversation. But we have the usual muppets on here (not aiming this part at you) clamouring for us to go out and get Muani or Osimhen, and they’ll be backing this possible sale with those incomings in mind. Players who’ve had one good season and largely a lot of average ones.
I’d be pissed if we start selling our promising players to fund transfers of players at the level of Muani’s/Osimhen’s ability and pedigree, or even Gyokeres who is still a punt in the Premier League.
Personally, I don’t want to see us doing a Barca and making shit short term decisions for the sake of a shiny new toy. The manager will need to work with the scouting team and find suitable players we can afford based on incomings from players we are happy to sell, or find a way to make do with what he’s got if we can’t shift them.
Just seeing Amad get a big wage rise supposedly to £90k a week, Mainoo is on something like £20k per week this is all just angling to get a wage rise and rightly so, he has done enough to be earning more than £20k lets no go mad but he can easily go up to £80k and still be relatively under paidI don’t think we’ll sell Mainoo for a second.
But honestly if we did, I think that would be me done. It just wouldn’t be the same club I grew up supporting anymore.
ANYONE but Borussia Dortmund. Unless they cover 100% of the wages.
This is a short sighted view I think. If they reboot him and get his value up then it is us who will be receiving the favour. I have no problem with him going to BVB.Unless Dortmund can cover the full loan fees and his wages, we shouldn’t be doing them any favors.
This is a short sighted view I think. If they reboot him and get his value up then it is us who will be receiving the favour. I have no problem with him going to BVB.
So you meant Kobbie doesn't fit and Garnacho was the one that's had problems with the manager?I never said he had any problem. Garnacho though has had issues with both this manager and the previous manager and he doesn’t fit the system etc as I said in my post
At least stick to tweets from actual journalists.Sam C
At least stick to tweets from actual journalists.
Just think, there was probably a time where we could have had £50m for Januzaj…Wheeler isn't exactly a trustworthy source , but what Athletic are essentially suggesting is that each bid would be assessed Unemotionally and that's the way it should be unlike drama llama's here .
Wow. He wears it better than the model. Errr! Sentences you didn’t expect to be saying when you woke up this morning.