Yeah you make a good point
Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2024/25
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Yeah you make a good point
This love in for Maguire is bizarre. He's been directly at fault for multiple goals in just our last 3 games. Despite being terrible this season, Martinez has played significantly better over 3 game periods than Maguire over the previous 2 seasons. Mazraoui played really well at cb in Amorim's system before being shifted out to wing back where he's been rubbish since. De Ligt's been inconsistent but still better than Maguire.
Maguire is absolutely not our best centre back, and it's another example of us throwing money away by renewing a big contract player who isn't worth their wage. People on here will then moan why no team will buy our big wage players, like they did with Martial.
The same people heralding Maguire as apparently our best cb were the same people trying to hound him out of the club a year ago. Back then, his decision to refuse to move was universally criticised, and now it's being used as an example of what Rashford should have done to justify criticism of him for wanting to leave (when everyone was asking for us to sell him anyway). I remember the sentiment towards Maguire a year ago very clearly because I was one of probably 3 people here actually defending his right to stay while under contract. Just as then, my criticism isn't towards Maguire himself here, it's towards the continuity of our inept decision makers at the club.
Over the last 18 months - Martinez, even Johnny Evans
Over the last 4 months - De Light
You're overreacting there a little....
I don't see a love in for Maguire, even from that poster's post. The argument for triggering Maguire's extension is sound. You have a manager who plays 3 at the back, you have all of Evans, Lindelof and Maguire potentially leaving in the summer on a free so no money coming in for them. That leaves us with only Yoro, De Ligt and Martinez as CBs. We also will likely have a limited budget and clearly reinforcing our attack and buying actual wingbacks is the priority. So rather than having to potentially on top of that buy 2/3 CBs, we can instead maybe bring in 1 CB and keep Maguire (and /or play Mazraoui there) for an extra year who whether you think he is good enough or not is a good backup player at the very least.
This isn't about renewing Maguire or keeping on old/poor players past their expiry date. Its prioritising where we spend our money, extending Maguire for a year helps address the number of CBs we have, doesn't tie him down to a new 3/4/5 year contract and allows us this summer to focus on the more pressing concerns e.g. finding quality Wingbacks, new attackers, a midfielder, backup GK all of which are more pressing than Maguire and all of which likely has to be done by selling the likes of Rashford etc which will still likely not give us loads of spending capability.
So yeah, you're overreacting a little to them triggering his extension.
Damn, Scrooge Mc'Jim's sacked off the tweets again! 
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.I would imagine that’s the case, they’ll also save the money they would have spent on another salary.
Martinez? That’s a good one.
Those first six months bought him more of a love-in than any player in United’s history. He’s been an embarrassment bar the odd game for the majority of his appearances for two seasons now I’m afraid.
No point him going on a free or near nothing when we have other priorities to address first. It's a 1 year option not a new 8 year 600k a week contract is it.
It's a huge overpay though isn't it? What wage was he going to get if he left on a free this summer?
It's more about the cost of replacing him this Summer, if we let him go. We have higher priorities than replacing Maguire right now.
Evans has performed far better than Maguire over the last 2 seasons and is on a far more reasonable wage. If we simply wanted another body for cb, he would have been the much more logical option to extend. We also could have invested in a talented young cb for long term squad depth on a small wage. I don't believe I'm overreacting. I believe this is the same thing that we've been doing for over a decade.
Tweets have dried up like our attack, when did this become the Maguire thread?
The logic in this is that he’s a good professional, that Disney in pace so should be fine til he’s 35, especially in a back three with two young quick physical centre backs like Jared Branthwaite (if we bought him) and Lenny Yoro. It also means that if someone wants to buy him for £15m in the summer from Italy, the club would get a transfer fee, an Italian team might pay him £130-150k per And with the Tax rates being far better, Maguire might take that opportunity. The reality in a 3421 system you need at least 5/6 CB’s and at least 1 utility player who can play wing back or CB.
We have Mazraoui, De Light, Maguire, Martinez, Evans, Lindelof, Dalot and Shsw who can a play in the back three.
Evans and Lindelof are leaving either January or Summer, Dalot and Mazraoui are not really good enough for wing back and are maybe squad options, Shaw is never Fit and Martinez will be sold if he carries on playing they way he has, Extending Maguire just bought the club a little more time!
What would the cost be though? You can get almost any CB in the world for £190k a week (£9.5M a year), except the very top guys.
I get a transfer fee is often more than £10M. But that's typically spread out over 4-5 years, both for PSR purposes and with the actual cash payments. So I don't see what you're getting at.
A £30M transfer on £100k a week spread over 5 years is only £11M a year. We could've funded a promising young replacement with that, rather than one more year of Maguire. That's probably not far off what it will cost for Air-Nouri or Diomande, to list two example defenders.
The type of moves where you're spending £10M for one year of a squad CB is how you end up with one of the highest payrolls in the league without a particularly good roster IMO. Maguire is making double the wage of anyone on Brentford, Bournemouth, or Palace among others. Is he that good?
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Yes but then we have to sign another central defender as both Evans and Lindelof are likely to leave.
We've not had a good record with defenders staying fit, we'd likely need to purchase a replacement especially in the summer.
It solves the problem for another year and also adds value for any teams that may be in for him.
The club are not going to replace Maguire for 10m. You might get a young unproven development player for that if you are lucky. I don't see any PL club selling a first team player to United for 30m either.
As @lysglimt points out Evans and Lindelof are off so if Maguire was to go that would leave us with De Ligt, Licha and Yoro for a back 3 with only Mazraoui and never fit Shaw as back up.
£10M a year. Again, you could get most CBs, in Prem or otherwise, for that.
Yeah, so what? According to Capology, £190k ties Maguire for 5th highest pay in the Premier League amongst CBs, behind only John Stones, VVD, Fofana, and De Ligt.
You think he's anywhere near that good? He's getting paid as much as Saliba for reference, and more than guys like Guehi, Konate, Gabriel, Dias, etc.
It's a waste of resources on a fairly ordinary player, and you can replace him with nearly anyone for that kind of money.
I think what you are missing is that, given the one paced nature of the majority of our CBs, we are already buying a CB since we are losing Lindelof and Evans plus the need for one with more physicality and technical ability. So buying two in one summer would be overdoing it and will affect what we can spend on other areas.
Keeping him on a £10m salary, even if it doesn't progress us as a team, is the only reasonable option there is because you can't replace three CBs with one when you play 3 CBs.
Yep, he's better than De Ligt for a start.
We don't have the funds for an additional CB in the summer on top of everything else the side needs.
Well you were talking about a 10m transfer fee.
Also why are you ignoring the fact that we have bigger fish to fry and can't afford the transfer fee for a replacement for Maguire on top of everything else we need to do?
We'll probably have to bring in a CB as it is with Maguire staying.
So dine take up the option, let Maguire go on a free and buy a new CH?
With our losses/PSR?
or let him go and dont buy anyone?
we need to take every chance we can to get rid of overpayed frauds, if we gonna keep everyone just because they are or could be useful we will never fix this squad because at every point you can make a case for almost any player.
We just gave him £10M a year. Those are the funds you use to get a replacement. You can finance a £40-50M transfer with £10M in cash a year.
And being better than De Ligt is pretty irrelevant. Should he be the 5th highest paid CB in the league?!
So him, Evans and Lindelof all go. And we play 3 CHs.
You can if you want to commit to £50m of debt on top of all the other positions more pressing. I doubt the club do though.
Who could we get for £25m + £100k a week who is a solid PL player, strong in the air (because that is a huge issue for this side)?
Examples last summer:
Max Kilman £40m.
Joachim Anderson £30m
Sepp Van den Berg £25m
Our scouting isn't good enough for anything outside the obvious box.
Followed by another page of discussing him...cmon folks this is the tweets thread.
id rather keep evans or lindelof as they are cheaper + evans is still the better player, at least for United
Who could we could get in January who would cost 30 million? If we sell Maguire for 10-15 million in the summer, we aren’t actually paying him anything unless he stays next year.
Yeah they really have
we paying the replacement 0 wages are we?
Have you been paying any attention to the injury threads the last few seasons?
I would take the punt, if the price was right of course.
He is a nuisance player, we don’t have enough of them, we are far easy to play against.
That is not really the issue. We can complain about his wages - but the fact is we have him on those wages. The alternative is to release him and having to buy a central defender instead. I would rather pay £10 million in wages to have Maguire another season than to spend £30 million + wages to find his replacement when we have so many other issues to deal with.
As frustrating as the 190k a week is.
It kicks the can down the road for another CB with Evans & Lindelof out the door.
Could also mean with an extra experienced CB we could blood Kulkonki.
Guys it’s probably too much Maguire talk now in the transfer tweets thread
Not sure if misunderstood.
I was replying to someone who’d happily let Maguire go and saying that that’d likely leave us with three CHs (given Lindelof expected to leave and Evans expected to quit/leave/do coaching) and we play with three CHs… I.e. would leave us very bare.
Sorry maybe I misunderstood, I thought you were saying the opposite. I.e get rid and play with the 3 remaining
Source (Tier 1):
- United want to let Rashford leave in January on loan with a purchase option.
- United are open to covering part of Rashford's salary.