Toni Kroos

Yeah that would work and with Mourinho in we'd have a realistic chance of getting him, even without CL football.
He is one of the few world class players you would suspect we could get
Real won't sell to barca
Bayern let him go so can't see them paying the money
Pep didn't fight to keep him at Bayern so may not want him
Psg have veratti already
That said London and comparable wages to what we would offer (chelsea)
Or London and cl football (arsenal)
Means even if real, barca, bayern, cityand psg are out of the picture it's still difficult for us to get top players now
 
Watching him again. The idea that is isn't good enough is ridiculous.
 
I would go all out for him in the summer. I honestly think he could come even without Champions League football.

I don't care what anyone says, he is a top class midfielder.
 
I would go all out for him in the summer. I honestly think he could come even without Champions League football.

I don't care what anyone says, he is a top class midfielder.
The word is that is was LVG that pulled the plug. He was willing to come playe for Moyes. If we can convince him of our ambitions, I think it's possible.
 
Watching him again. The idea that is isn't good enough is ridiculous.
of course he is good enough. He is a world-class CM; usually he has to play as DM/DPL, where he is totally wasted. Today, with someone like Casimero on the pitch, he can shine. That said, he is not a flashy player and sooner or later fans would complain that he is making to many sideway passes.
 
If we had a midfield three of Kroos, Morgan and say Bastian playing behind them in a 433 we'd have the best midfield in the league.
 
If we had a midfield three of Kroos, Morgan and say Bastian playing behind them in a 433 we'd have the best midfield in the league.
Not sure. Bastian looks pretty terrible, so I'd recommend replacing him, whilst Schneiderlin still has it all to prove.
 
If we had a midfield three of Kroos, Morgan and say Bastian playing behind them in a 433 we'd have the best midfield in the league.


That midfield is too slow IMO.
Bastian and kroos are too similar.
 
If we had a midfield three of Kroos, Morgan and say Bastian playing behind them in a 433 we'd have the best midfield in the league.

How many goals would that "best midfield in the league" score though?
 
How many goals would that "best midfield in the league" score though?

How many goals did Xavi, Iniesta and Busquetss score?

How many goals did Scholes and Carrick score?

How many goals do Drinkwater and Kante have this season?

It's not a midfields job to score goals. It's to control a game.
 
How many goals did Xavi, Iniesta and Busquetss score?

How many goals did Scholes and Carrick score?

How many goals do Drinkwater and Kante have this season?

It's not a midfields job to score goals. It's to control a game.

Barcelona have Messi who scores 60 goals alone, and with us and Leicester you only mention two and not three midfielders. A midfield three of Kroos, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin would be too defensive.
 
Barcelona have Messi who scores 60 goals alone, and with us and Leicester you only mention two and not three midfielders. A midfield three of Kroos, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin would be too defensive.

Not to mention incredibly one paced, Kroos can only work if there are two hard runners in there with him, especially in the PL.
 
I'm surprised Madrid are willing to let him go... Having said that when their ban is enforced I can't believe they'll be selling anyone
 
Sometimes you'll get that, sure. But other days you'll get a lumbering midfielder who isn't particularly resolute defensively willing to lateral pass his way until the full time whistle. His general lack of athleticism is definitely influencing my view here - we've gone so long with such an immobile spine that I just want it to end. In our set-up he'd be paired with Basti/Schneiderlin who aren't mobile at all and pairing him with Ander would leave us pretty light defensively. I'd just like an all action ball carrier which I think Mourinho may probably want to if he gets the job - say, an Andre Gomes, or a Radja Nainggolan.
 
I can't believe how underrated he is on this forum. The fact that some believe him and Bastian are similar says it all really.
 
Sometimes you'll get that, sure. But other days you'll get a lumbering midfielder who isn't particularly resolute defensively willing to lateral pass his way until the full time whistle. His general lack of athleticism is definitely influencing my view here - we've gone so long with such an immobile spine that I just want it to end. In our set-up he'd be paired with Basti/Schneiderlin who aren't mobile at all and pairing him with Ander would leave us pretty light defensively. I'd just like an all action ball carrier which I think Mourinho may probably want to if he gets the job - say, an Andre Gomes, or a Radja Nainggolan.

He started his career as a 10 in Heynckes' Bayern and did very well there. I think he would be perfect as part of a 4-3-3 with Herrera and Schneiderlin.
 
Sometimes you'll get that, sure. But other days you'll get a lumbering midfielder who isn't particularly resolute defensively willing to lateral pass his way until the full time whistle. His general lack of athleticism is definitely influencing my view here - we've gone so long with such an immobile spine that I just want it to end. In our set-up he'd be paired with Basti/Schneiderlin who aren't mobile at all and pairing him with Ander would leave us pretty light defensively. I'd just like an all action ball carrier which I think Mourinho may probably want to if he gets the job - say, an Andre Gomes, or a Radja Nainggolan.

Yeah, agreed. Kroos is obviously class but I don't know if he's what we're missing tbh. He'd obviously be a boon but I wouldn't always have him over some of the others mentioned, if we can get him in the first place.
 
Every time I watch him I wonder why he's on the pitch. He does absolutely nothing.

Completely wasted in the position he plays at Real.
 
He is obviously a class player but the so are many others. At this level, the difference between being class and actually showing it can be pretty big. The system, players, tactics, league style all play a role in whether a player will actually get to show his class or not. He can easily come here and people start complaining about how immobile he is or how he doesn't score enough or how he doesn't tackle enough. We have to remember that that type of player does not particularly shine in England also so it is difficult to judge whereas he will be useful to us without knowing how we will play. But again, bar Messi, Suarez, Neymar i:e attacking players who can carry the ball and beat players with it, I can say the same about pretty much everyone.
 
Would be the best midfielder in the league if he came in. In Mourinho's system would work well next to Schneiderlin probably, behind whoever we decide to use as the 10. Laughable to say he's not good enough. Though I would prefer someone like Gundogan to play there because of his energy and being more of an adventurous player.
 
Would be the best midfielder in the league if he came in. In Mourinho's system would work well next to Schneiderlin probably, behind whoever we decide to use as the 10. Laughable to say he's not good enough. Though I would prefer someone like Gundogan to play there because of his energy and being more of an adventurous player.

Unless the #10 is a workhorse that puts in great defensive shifts we'd be basically putting Schneiderlin in a one man midfield with a player that is slow and fairly immobile. To make use of Kroos you have to make him the creative outlet and put two workers in there to cover the fact he's hopeless defensively, essentially a deeper Mata. There are several good CM's out there who are more suited to the PL and who can defend as well as use the ball positively.
 
A double pivot with Kroos and Schneiderlin could potentially be very good.
But with those two we would need someone in front of them who can drive forward with the ball.
 
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With the non existent movement in our side and especially the lack of quality wingers, he'd be left to just pass sideways.

Rather get someome more dynamic like Gundogan.
 
The ever reliable ballbag has apparently said "I do believe he wants to leave Madrid, he'd be perfect for Manchester United" though I don't know where as it's just quotes on Twitter.
 
A double pivot with Kroos and Schneiderlin could potentially be very good.
But with those two we would need someone in front of them who can drive forward with the ball.

Someone like Barkley. Big, strong and a good dribbler.
 
He is like a younger and better Michael Carrick. I agree that he should not start beside Schweinsteiger or Carrick but he would be a clear upgrade on those 2.
 
Passing wise maybe he is better than Carrick, but as a DM? He isnt close to Carrick.
We don't need him to be a DM for us. We need him to more of a deeper lying playmaker with the freedom to go forward. Morgan can play beside him and be our DM.