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Bastian said:
I thought he was OK in pre-season, then we were afforded time and space. He said it himself in the summer, his in possession game is where he needs to improve the most. And he made quite a few Fellaini-esque moves against Liverpool where he just ran the ball out of play, though unlike Fellaini, he was actually hounded by a couple of Liverpool players.

It seems quite obvious that it is too early for him. I mentioned Gore in the Casemiro thread, but was told he was shite on loan last season. Anyhow, when I saw Gore playing for us in that pre-season last year he looked good, and quite aggressive. And he wasn't scared on the ball like Collyer.

The fact of the matter is we fecked up by not recruiting two midfielders, but I still think Gore could be an option here, certainly from memory I'd take him over Collyer (whom I like, but I think he needs to really improve his game, he's got the physique, energy and aggression).
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Dunno who told you that, Gore played literally one game then got injured. Agree on Gore, I've been a vocal supporter of his for a while, think he's a great talent.
 
LankyHoggie said:
I like Toby think there’s a decent player in there but Zidane Iqbal looked literally like Zinedine Zidane in ETH’s first pre season, where he’s at now?

These players can only be judged by how they perform in competitive matches.
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I agree with you, he was never an exceptional player for the youth teams, same as Collyer. Despite what some seem to think it's exceedingly rare for an average youth player to make it at United. McTominay's the only recent one I can think of.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
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I’m not surprised. It’s what he values in players, especially in midfield it seems — the ability on the ball to control possession is second nature. Off the ball work is most important.
 
DWelbz19 said:
I’m not surprised. It’s what he values in players, especially in midfield it seems — the ability on the ball to control possession is second nature. Off the ball work is most important.
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If that were true he'd have actually given Hannibal Mejbri a proper chance and not fecked around with his development like he did.
 
Bastian said:
If that were true he'd have actually given Hannibal Mejbri a proper chance and not fecked around with his development like he did.
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Hannibal has no discipline to his game. Even ten Hag’s midfield requires a little bit of that.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Hannibal has no discipline to his game. Even ten Hag’s midfield requires a little bit of that.
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I don't think that's true, but I disagree with your original statement anyway, there are clearly other important things required than an engine. Otherwise Fred would not have been sold (which definitely appears, in hindsight, to be a major mistake given how Erik seems to want to play).
 
Anyone know how much youth international football he has played, or where I can find that out? I have seen differing results from different sources I could find, none of which went in to any detail. I am particularly curious as to whether he has played under 18 or older age groups and if not why he never made that step up.
 
He looked good against Pool. He has a fair bit of composure to his game, I will not be surprised if he makes it here.
 
Personally I don't see it with him, though I think he'd have a decent career in the PL for a lower half team.
 
Toby Collyer was picked up from Brighton a little more than two years ago. He was, at the time, obviously highly rated at both Man Utd and Brighton. He was also highly rated by people at the FA.

Since then he has not stood out much. But there can be several reason for that at the age he is. But he has obviously impressed the coaches at Carrington. People who are more competent and watch him more than the sofa experts in Red Cafe. While most players who turn out to be great are very highly rated at a young age the talent trajectory are highly individual. Most great young talents dont become great players. And some not so highly rated teenagers become great players (players like Busquets, Kante, van Dijk og Drogba).

But hindsight is a beautiful thing. If Collyer turns out to be good, in a few years people will remind us that Man Utd picked him up from Brighton at 18 for a reason. That he after just a year started training with the senior team and quickly caught the attention ten Hag.
 
andersj said:
Toby Collyer was picked up from Brighton a little more than two years ago. He was, at the time, obviously highly rated at both Man Utd and Brighton. He was also highly rated by people at the FA.

Since then he has not stood out much. But there can be several reason for that at the age he is. But he has obviously impressed the coaches at Carrington. People who are more competent and watch him more than the sofa experts in Red Cafe. While most players who turn out to be great are very highly rated at a young age the talent trajectory are highly individual. Most great young talents dont become great players. And some not so highly rated teenagers become great players (players like Busquets, Kante, van Dijk og Drogba).

But hindsight is a beautiful thing. If Collyer turns out to be good, in a few years people will remind us that Man Utd picked him up from Brighton at 18 for a reason. That he after just a year started training with the senior team and quickly caught the attention ten Hag.
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Well, he got injured and missed a year so that's a reason, but yes he wasn't dominant when he returned so interesting to see him being promoted
 
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If there's one thing I definitely will give Ten Hag credit for its that he does seem to like to bring 1 youth player through each season. This season it seems to be Collyer who is within touching distance, be interesting if that carries on with Ugarte now part of the squad. Hopefully he can develop into a first team ready midfielder this season.
 
Man Utd 7:0 Barnsley
Being left back was the only negative about tonight, clearly not his position and I thought it was Evans left back, and Casemiro at centre half when I saw the team sheet.
 
Not a LB, but against this opposition it doesn't mattter and any gametime is good experience for him.
 
Yeah great experience. Full 90 minutes and will help his development to play in more than one position at times.

And a 7-0 win so no harm done.
 
Got aggression and pace to play LB, and he needs to clock some minutes.

Not sure Malacia returning fast, anyway.
 
He was very poor tonight, out of position but given our dominance I thought he was appalling.
 
Thought he looked comfortable in a different position to be fair to him, hopefully he’ll continue to get some minutes and develop into a solid CM.
 
He was a bit shit in the first half, but looked very very solid in the second. Considering he was out of position for his first ever start, very good.
 
Wasted opportunity not to play Amass. A genuine left back and a damn talented one at that. If we were that bothered about playing Collyer, then he should have been used in central midfield.
 
Put in a proper shift. We know he’s not a LB but he got the job done while we all wait for Amass to have his shave.
 
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Wasted opportunity not to play Amass. A genuine left back and a damn talented one at that. If we were that bothered about playing Collyer, then he should have been used in central midfield.
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Yeah, pretty surprising that we see another inexperienced young player in his position who is playing out of position. And it showed (at least in the first half).

Was surprised he wasn't even on the bench.
 
Bastian said:
Yeah, pretty surprising that we see another inexperienced young player in his position who is playing out of position. And it showed (at least in the first half).

Was surprised he wasn't even on the bench.
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Disappointing. I'm all for giving Collyer minutes, but not at the expense of Amass. I assume ten Hag wanted to give Collyer minutes but then felt conflicted because Eriksen had performed well at the weekend and Casemiro would have probably kicked off if he went two games consecutively without a start.
 
Bastian said:
Yeah, pretty surprising that we see another inexperienced young player in his position who is playing out of position. And it showed (at least in the first half).

Was surprised he wasn't even on the bench.
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Was pretty shit from ten Hag and also the fact that Wheatley wasn't given a chance even when we are 4-0 up or something.
 
I know he’s not a left back but I do worry for him. Made several late tackles that led to unnecessary fouls, that could be punished under better opposition.

It would be hard for him with his first two matches being against Liverpool and now out of position - but I don’t understand why we play him out of position and not play Amass instead
 
Good experience for the lad despite being played out of position.. He should be glad he got to play a full 90mins with minimal scrutiny.
 
Ten Hag seems to do this thing where he picks one young player for a season, and gives them chances while ignoring others. Last season it was Mainoo, season before that was Garnacho. This season it seems to be Collyer.

I dont think Amass or Wheatley or Gore will get much chances, but happy to be proven wrong.
 
MrBrightside1989 said:
There's maybe a genuine reason my Amass wasn't considered.... maybe had homework to do?
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Amass has just turned 17, Collyer is 20. That’s a huge difference in their physical development. I’m all for talented youth players getting a chance, but we aren’t Barcelona - we don’t just throw literal children in for the sake of it.

I don’t see it massively with Collyer, but as the article on this page has shown he has some traits ten Hag seems to really love. He also made a thing of being present at his contract extension, so he’s clearly the designated youth player to get game-time this season.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Ten Hag seems to do this thing where he picks one young player for a season, and gives them chances while ignoring others. Last season it was Mainoo, season before that was Garnacho. This season it seems to be Collyer.

I dont think Amass or Wheatley or Gore will get much chances, but happy to be proven wrong.
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To be fair, it seems to be working pretty well.

I’d much rather prioritize one player and his development, rather than spreading the playtime out so more players get a small chance here and there.

One of the things he’s done very well and should be applauded for.
 
MiracleInMadrid said:
To be fair, it seems to be working pretty well.

I’d much rather prioritize one player and his development, rather than spreading the playtime out so more players get a small chance here and there.

One of the things he’s done very well and should be applauded for.
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I dont agree. SAF always gave multiple young players chances, I dont see how shoehorning Collyer at LB is better than giving him 30mins for Ugarte in the second half.

Rather Amass got the nod, and Wheatley atleast 5-10 mins off the bench. We were cruising at that point.

After that whoever performs, plays more.
 
Thought he did fairly well considering he's not a LB. Their right back looked half decent going forward as well so credit to Toby, will have done him no harm whatsoever that game.
 
Don't think bringing him on against Liverpool when we were 0-2 down or starting him the next match as a LB is good management.

Also was weird to not bring on Wheatley when we were 4-0 up and instead bringing on Bruno.
 
KM said:
Don't think bringing him on against Liverpool when we were 0-2 down or starting him the next match as a LB is good management.

Also was weird to not bring on Wheatley when we were 4-0 up and instead bringing on Bruno.
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Why? Bruno needs to play into form and Wheatley and other youngsters get the message that they have to earn opportunities like Garnacho, Mainoo and now Collyer have
 
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