[SoCross]

He struggled a bit in the first half as Barnsley targetted that side for attack, but in the second when you were attacking he pushed into midfield more and looked pretty good I thought.

Thanks for this mate. Pleased for him, first senior start. He’d be buzzing!

 

[Canucantona20]

I like Collyer. The best thing about him is that he’s comfortable on his left and his right foot. He’s still hesitant to play it forward, but that will come with experience.

 

[Ekeke]

First 15 mins it looked like he and Ugarte had a bet of who could get booked first with little to no effort to win the ball and several fouls committed. But as we got the game under control with our goals he grew into the game and did a fine job covering the position and pretty much stepped into a left midfield position when we had the ball with Evans pulling to the left behind him.

 

[surf]

Thought he was OK apart from a couple of fouls given away in dangerous positions and once when the winger beat him on the outside and got a cross in. As the game went on he moved into midfield and looked quite comfortable. Good experience for him.

 

[Ekeke]

Collyer turned 20 in January. Secondly, playing him at LB when he's a DM isn't gonna be helping him in his development in the first team.

Of course it does. He's playing first team football against adults

Another good example is Hinshelwood who is one of the best young English midfielders and Brighton have used him at rightback on most occasions last season and leftback this season. He will do a job for them there and might be able to spray one of his passes from the position but he'll be a midfielder. He is in fact who Brighton would have been hoping Collyer would be able to emulate, if he had stayed instead of leaving for United.

 

[bb8]

So how did he actually play? I missed the game sadly.

Did he overlap a bit, or was he asked to move to the centre as we now do with our full backs when we have the ball? Was he always open to receive a pass, not afraid ?

Unfortunately, I'd say he flat out struggled. I just watched the 90 in 20 on MUTV (had only see the highlights before), and holy cow was he bad defensively. Got beat badly 3-4 times near the box, one for nearly a penalty and a couple for wide open crosses, and I don't think another defensive player got beaten the entire game. Granted, he's a midfielder, not a defender. But still, against a League One side you expect better. Showed a little more in possession but still several turnovers and no notable passes/carries that I recall.

I don't see him starting meaningful games this year, at the very least. Needs a lot of work. Should be emergency depth.

 

[bb8]

Think he’ll be a decent squad player. I actually think he’s almost a direct replacement for McTominay in his sort of limited ability with good physical attributes whilst having great heart sort of way .There’s nothing wrong with that either - to be a squad player at Utd means you’ve done very well in your career. Good luck to him.

McT's much taller (obviously) and shows a lot more attacking ability. I think Toby will have done extremely well for himself if he ever gets sold for anything near £30M. That's probably a very high end outcome for him.

 

[3KDré]

Anyone know why he wasn't in the squad today?

 

[saik]

Anyone know why he wasn't in the squad today?

Was apparently injured. Not sure how or when he picked it up but it's mentioned at the end of this article.

 

[Northstand]

What’s happened to this lad? We have to assume he’s injured, but he never gets a mention on the Premier League Injuries listings.

With the injuries to Mainoo, Eriksen and Mount, he could be getting some serious minutes.

 

[FrankDrebin]

What’s happened to this lad? We have to assume he’s injured, but he never gets a mention on the Premier League Injuries listings.

With the injuries to Mainoo, Eriksen and Mount, he could be getting some serious minutes.

Probably not good enough?

 

[Tom Van Persie]

What’s happened to this lad? We have to assume he’s injured, but he never gets a mention on the Premier League Injuries listings.

With the injuries to Mainoo, Eriksen and Mount, he could be getting some serious minutes.

I read he was out with an injury for around a month.

 

[Rozay]

I expect that will be that now that Ten Hag has gone. It never really made sense in the first place, and I suspect a few started pretending it made perfect sense only after it happened. There are a number of academy midfielders at the moment who are performing more impressively than Collyer did for us, and they probably have no future here themselves.

Looks a great athlete though.

 

[Mingus]

I expect that will be that now that Ten Hag has gone.

I doubt this. It's unlikely that Ten Hag was alone at the club in his assessment of Collyer's abilities .
He fits the style of midfielder that Amorim is supposed to like (strong runner etc). He needs to acclimatise to PL intensity so that he doesn't appear so rushed, but that doesn't generally happen overnight unless your name is Kobbie Mainoo.

The advantage he has over the other midfielders in the academy is that he is physically ready.

 

[BAMSOLA]

I doubt this. It's unlikely that Ten Hag was alone at the club in his assessment of Collyer's abilities .
He fits the style of midfielder that Amorim is supposed to like (strong runner etc). He needs to acclimatise to PL intensity so that he doesn't appear so rushed, but that doesn't generally happen overnight unless your name is Kobbie Mainoo.

The advantage he has over the other midfielders in the academy is that he is physically ready.

Yep, he's highly rated by the coaches at the club and within England youth development in general so Ten hag leaving shouldn't really effect his trajectory.

 

[saik]

I doubt this. It's unlikely that Ten Hag was alone at the club in his assessment of Collyer's abilities .
He fits the style of midfielder that Amorim is supposed to like (strong runner etc). He needs to acclimatise to PL intensity so that he doesn't appear so rushed, but that doesn't generally happen overnight unless your name is Kobbie Mainoo.

The advantage he has over the other midfielders in the academy is that he is physically ready.

I see that as the only thing he has. No offence to the kid but if he has the talent to make it here he should be showing something at the u-21s level. It was the same with Oyedele. Rarely showed anything at the u-21s level and so I was surprised when people were praising him during the pre-season. Look where he ended up.

Collyer can still have a decent career but I don't see him as being good enough to even be a squad player for us.

 

[criticalanalysis]

He could have a career here if he turns into a Fred/Kante terrier monster ball winner, which given his athleticism could happen but I don't see the base fundamental technicality or him having the opportunity here. However, who knows with potentially Eriksen and Casemiro going next summer.

 

[Rozay]

I doubt this. It's unlikely that Ten Hag was alone at the club in his assessment of Collyer's abilities .
He fits the style of midfielder that Amorim is supposed to like (strong runner etc). He needs to acclimatise to PL intensity so that he doesn't appear so rushed, but that doesn't generally happen overnight unless your name is Kobbie Mainoo.

The advantage he has over the other midfielders in the academy is that he is physically ready.

Not very hard to find a midfielder if the criteria is just running around. He hasn’t shown anything on the ball. Yes, he’s only played a few first team games, but he’s been poor in all for me. And in the youths he was fairly insignificant.

The fact that he used to be the captain for England kids can’t represent him on the pitch. If you didn’t know that about him, I doubt there would be much enthusiasm at all. His performances were not particularly demanding he be integrated into the first team squad for me.

That said, you appear to be right in that Amorim doesn’t seem to require much more than ‘energy’ from his central midfielders from what I see, so who knows.