calm down, just some deja vu like parallels from both managers' reigns, Rashford situation similar to Sancho situation, with a positive in a talented promoted young midfielder
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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calm down, just some deja vu like parallels from both managers' reigns, Rashford situation similar to Sancho situation, with a positive in a talented promoted young midfielder
Your reward for a goal line clearance, saving the win, get throttled by the butcher and have your brains shaken out by Yoro and Dalot.
No wonder he looked dazed.
No wonder he looked dazed.
He was never silky but he does have a good range of passing of both feet and can turn well in small spaces. With a more structured team around him he will start to show it I believe.
He's touch is good, he reads the game well, he's aggressive and timely in his tackle, he brings presence and mobility to the midfield, he doesn't hide from the ball and he shows composure. If he start passing forward successfully he wouldn't be just a squad player.
Got to have someone to pass to first
It's not a quality he has shown in his minutes in the first team. He's probably just playing safe because some of the sideway passes aren't necessarily easy either with opposition all around. I like him and I see him being like a Declan Rice.
Whilst the stats don't show much tackles and interceptions, I like the way he closes down and harrasses opponents slowing down attacks.
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Doing well to this point in time. Certainly proven himself as a squad member ready to come on and pitch in.
Yeah. I’ve been impressed with him and I hope Amorim keeps managing his minutes. He could be Ugartes understudy and save us some money.
I thought he did fine tonight. Too many people seem to expect a young player to come into the first team and be the finished article
Was very aware of team overall position and did well dropping back to cover when players were pushing forward.
On the other side of things, saw Casemiro lazily not track a run within 5 mins of coming on, so Collyer is exceeding his competition easily.
On the other side of things, saw Casemiro lazily not track a run within 5 mins of coming on, so Collyer is exceeding his competition easily.
Hope not, we lack so much in midfield in terms of ability on the ball.
Hes doing well but needs to be improve there, however happy to see him progressing.
We really do. I thought we improved a lot when Eriksen dropped a bit deeper to dictate play. He doesn´t have the legs really for the toughest games anymore, but he shows what we want in our cms in terms of first touch, control, vision, passing. A high bar, Eriksen is absolute class on the ball, but that is the level we need to improve.
He looks alright so far but he doesn't have the confidence (like almost all our players) to turn with the ball or play hard accurate passes you need to in order to cut through teams. We saw as soon as Mainoo and Amad came on we had two players who would receive the ball on the turn and get through the lines. Makes all the difference in the world. Hes fine for now but hasn't shown enough for me to think he will even be more than adequate backup for a team without much quality.
Mainoo started the game, he did not come on. Garnacho did.
Also, the problems were our WBs and Eriksen in the 10 who offered nothing. It was our players not taking their players on, and passing the ball back from good positions. That changed when Garnacho and Amad were brought on.
Collyer did his job fine. Shielded the defense and played the ball forward when necessary. He had 91% accuracy, so was certainly not inaccurate. Their two best chances were also when he was off, both came because Eriksen and later Casemiro did nothing defensively.
Yeah I thought he looked very nervous.
On the ball he's not great, but off the ball he can help and he looks like a player who would understand where to position himself, when to press and how to help his team mates. Wonder if Ugarte is the partner for him and Mainoo/Bruno further up going forward.
People aren't expecting him to be the finished article but they are expecting him to show something special in some part of his game and he just looks...OK. You look at every other talented young player trying to break into a big team and they may have weaknesses, brain farts and general rough edges but the talent is clearly there. I don't see that with Collyer.
Yep, I got Mainoo and Garnacho mixed up there. As you say, our issues were not taking on players. Not taking risks. The number of times we got into a position where we needed Dalot to take on his man down the right or a player to make a fast, hard pass between the lines to have the opposition out of position and retreating was silly. As soon as we had that, they fell apart. Disarray. Its amazing how quickly teams fall apart when their shape and structure is distorted defensively. Fast passing, beating a man to break into space. Its vital.
Always happy to see young players breaking into the first team but from what I've seen so far Collyer looks pretty limited on the ball. There's probably some degree of keepings things as simple as possible and making sure not to make mistakes but so far he looks highly inclined towards passing sideways or backwards. At this stage can't see him holding down a first team place in an improving side.
Nice to see him getting some minutes and having time to develop. He's got some very positive physical attributes however it's obvious at this level his ball control and passing are not there yet. He will need to improve these massively to step up to being a first team regular.
I think the praise has been a little strong so far as he's lost the ball a few times leading to big chances that the opposition didn't score from.
Having said that he's added some balance to the midfield and his energy is a great asset. Hoping he can keep getting minutes and develop under Amorim!
I think the praise has been a little strong so far as he's lost the ball a few times leading to big chances that the opposition didn't score from.
Having said that he's added some balance to the midfield and his energy is a great asset. Hoping he can keep getting minutes and develop under Amorim!
Really impressed with Collyer I was carefully watching him during the game and his positional awareness is very good, likes to play it simple. When I watched him during pre season I thought he looked like a Mctominay regen. But he is always available to pick up the ball, never hides, he just needs a bit more confidence in his ability to progress and carry the ball. He has all the ingredients to be a solid midfielder for us long term and I have no doubt Amorim is the right man to help him improve his game
Is there no balance anymore?
Young lads seem to be either over hyped or written off after a few games.
Collyer looks to be a good athlete, quite quick and seems to have a great leap for headers. Positionally he seems to be the right areas and looks for the ball. Technically on the ball for this level he's very good at the basic skills, takes his first touch the right way, uses his body well when turning gets his head up and plays a pass with minimal fuss. Obviously at this stage he's not going to be spreading the ball around the pitch, threading balls forward and dictating the play. Keeping it simple and doing the basics is what you expect from a player of his age with only a handful of games under his belt.
What he needs is game time to see if he can get better, a lot of that comes with confidence and developing the mental and side of the game, because physically and technically I think he looks like he has some good qualities. Time will tell whether or not he's good enough.
Young lads seem to be either over hyped or written off after a few games.
Collyer looks to be a good athlete, quite quick and seems to have a great leap for headers. Positionally he seems to be the right areas and looks for the ball. Technically on the ball for this level he's very good at the basic skills, takes his first touch the right way, uses his body well when turning gets his head up and plays a pass with minimal fuss. Obviously at this stage he's not going to be spreading the ball around the pitch, threading balls forward and dictating the play. Keeping it simple and doing the basics is what you expect from a player of his age with only a handful of games under his belt.
What he needs is game time to see if he can get better, a lot of that comes with confidence and developing the mental and side of the game, because physically and technically I think he looks like he has some good qualities. Time will tell whether or not he's good enough.
Growing into the team at a nice pace.
I would like to see him develop in the first team over the next 12-18 months. He could become a boss of the CM.
Him and Ugarte can fight for that spot.
I would like to see him develop in the first team over the next 12-18 months. He could become a boss of the CM.
Him and Ugarte can fight for that spot.
Looked nervous, had one bad moment where he should have dealt with a header and they countered us but otherwise was solid. We need more of these players, young, good attitudes and 'cheap' to build a real squad. I can't really see him developing into some amazing CM just from what we see now, but hopefully he can have a long career with us.
This bolded part captures my thoughts on the player, honestly like Scott McTominay basically, hopefully we can also sell this lad for a few quid to help out with PSR
.I remember watching Gerard when he broke through, lots of chat, he looked very conservative when I saw him, hard to see where the hype was coming from. I think it's absolutely ok for him to look after the ball as well as he does. It's a great base to build from.
Ideally you have a core of players like them constantly coming through I guess, then you sell them opportunistically - like McT was 27 and we got good money for him.This bolded part captures my thoughts on the player, honestly like Scott McTominay basically, hopefully we can also sell this lad for a few quid to help out with PSR
This guy is quality, looks after the ball well, moves into space well, reads the game superbly and puts in a shift.
All standard pre requisites of a CM really but when done right makes for a real asset in the team.
Sometimes simplicity is what's needed in games to establish control, Carrick had it in abundance, Collyer could be a similar player in my opinion.
All standard pre requisites of a CM really but when done right makes for a real asset in the team.
Sometimes simplicity is what's needed in games to establish control, Carrick had it in abundance, Collyer could be a similar player in my opinion.
I’m glad that the new manager has seen the qualities and given a chance to another young player. I think, due to adapting to the new system, we’re assessing players to keep for next season and building the core of the squad. Toby can definitely be part of that group and also part of the central spine of the team.
I can also see him potentially covering the centre spot in a back 3 in the future with his profile and the way the manager likes to play. Some say play them in their “natural” position but know he has covered there before. Purely projecting though no expectations or hints.
I can also see him potentially covering the centre spot in a back 3 in the future with his profile and the way the manager likes to play. Some say play them in their “natural” position but know he has covered there before. Purely projecting though no expectations or hints.
I think a realistic scenario is that we can use him as a backup/squad option for a couple years or so, getting a few appearances here and there, saving us spending money on a transfer for a player to do the same, and then if he doesn't kick on to be a potential regular starter we could offload him for a reasonable fee.
Best case scenario obviously he progresses and becomes increasingly valuable to the the team.
Worst case scenario is we do what we have done with the likes of Brandon Williams, give them a first team wage, then realise they aren't upto the required standard, hold onto them for too long, and then sell cheaply or release for free.
Best case scenario obviously he progresses and becomes increasingly valuable to the the team.
Worst case scenario is we do what we have done with the likes of Brandon Williams, give them a first team wage, then realise they aren't upto the required standard, hold onto them for too long, and then sell cheaply or release for free.
Toby is a top boy.
Toby or not Toby? I'm leaning towards the affirmative. So far he does not look out of place in the team. As a former denizen of Worthing, I don't remember any other players from there.
I actually think there is something to this. Amorim specifically mentioned using the Acadamy lads to help with PSR in his comments today and I think that had a twofold meaning in that a good player you can keep obviously saves you having to buy for that position but we can also have a pipeline of decent young talent that we essentially put in the shop window with a few performances and then move on for a nice profit to a smaller club. Liverpool, City and Chelsea have been doing this well for a long time, consistently showcasing lads that they end up selling for 10M and upwards all of which is great for accounting purposes and I think Collyer may be thought of in that light right now.This bolded part captures my thoughts on the player, honestly like Scott McTominay basically, hopefully we can also sell this lad for a few quid to help out with PSR
In the short term he is going to be a very useful energy piece off the bench, especially when looking to defend a lead, that mobility of his gives a lot of tactical options. He doesn't look very progressive as yet, but neither is Ugarte.
Competitive, likes a challenge, good in the air, good positionally, technically fairly sound all over and is, by all accounts, really good at important stuff physically like his Vo2 max.
Even if he is just energy and defensive solidity off of the bench, we have a good squad option on our hands which is exactly what the academy is supposed to supply.
Even if he is just energy and defensive solidity off of the bench, we have a good squad option on our hands which is exactly what the academy is supposed to supply.
i see him as our modern-day 'Nicky Butt' Will get enough games through the season, but when eveyone is fit he will be on the bench
Toby be good.
Butt was first-choice for several years, and was a fine player in his day. Seen nothing from young Collyer yet to suggest he can hit that level, but hopefully he goes on to have a good career.
Modern day John O'Shea then? Collyer even played as a left back this season if i remember correctly. Collyer already showing some versatility!
Good comparison and agree.