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giggzy · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:


Fergie isn't infallible. We might like to think so, but he isn't. What he is is incrdibly stubborn.

I'd love to see a poll of United supporters on what system we should use. And who should play.<hr></blockquote>

but by saying that, you're implying that we(face it, we're nobodies when it comes to football tactics, we're just observers) might know more than a guy who's probably the greatest ever manager from Britain...

Neil Thomson · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by WeasteDevil:


Strange comment that, because you seem to think that yourself and Pearson are both redder than the 7 times league title winner, ECWC winner, EC winner, 4 times FA Cup winner, ESC winner, ICC winner, etc.

Wierd!<hr></blockquote>
I don't think Redness comes into it, which is what I was mocking. Talk of how different MUTV presenters and ex-players are more or less Red than each other is absurd imo. Whether or not a tactic or purchase is right or wrong has nothing to do with Redness.

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

In fact, if it wasn't for SAF, probably far fewer of us would be here.

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:

I don't think Redness comes into it, which is what I was mocking. Talk of how different MUTV presenters and ex-players are more or less Red than each other is absurd imo. Whether or not a tactic or purchase is right or wrong has nothing to do with Redness.<hr></blockquote>

You brought the reddness thing up.

RUDDY · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:

Also:
Silvestre: "He wasn't fazed about it at all.

"He was in good condition. He was really prepared in his mind and was ready for that game. He showed no fear.

"He has been training with the first team for a couple of weeks and I think he has handled that really well."

"It was good to see them being involved in training and afterwards we saw in the game in Cyprus that they are good enough to play for United.

"It is amazing that some of them were playing Champions League football at the age of 18 and I think they enjoyed that a lot."

And Alex Ferguson said:
"Kieran is a brave little lad and showed that with the goal he scored.

"He put his head among the boots and bodies and can be very pleased with himself.

"He enjoyed the experience and showed he has the temperament to handle the big occasion."<hr></blockquote>

you are such a dick

you said he must be good cuz hes made his debut so young

then i said that doesnt make him a the next giggs example davis,o'kane

then you come out with a load of quotes

richarson is a good player but not a patch on giggs at the same age

but you have seen him on MUTV for the stiffs so you know everything

giggzy · Nov 24, 2002

its easy to knock tactics..or look for scapegoats when things aren't working.... but in reality, its more complex than any of us give it credit...

RUDDY · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:

I don't think Redness comes into it, which is what I was mocking. Talk of how different MUTV presenters and ex-players are more or less Red than each other is absurd imo. Whether or not a tactic or purchase is right or wrong has nothing to do with Redness.<hr></blockquote>

who the feck said anything about that

Neil Thomson · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:


Fergie isn't infallible. We might like to think so, but he isn't. What he is, is incredibly stubborn.

I'd love to see a poll of United supporters on what system we should use. And who should play.<hr></blockquote>
<a href="https://www.redcafe.net/home/" target="_blank">Which formation should we use in the Premier League? </a>

Livvie · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by giggzy:


but by saying that, you're implying that we(face it, we're nobodies when it comes to football tactics, we're just observers) might know more than a guy who's probably the greatest ever manager from Britain...<hr></blockquote>

I'm saying we've a right to an opinion. And Fergie isn't always right.

Not knocking his past achievements for one minute - but if the players can lose hunger, or lose ability, or whatever - so can the manager. I'm not saying he has, but I don't like double standards, and they are being applied here all the time.

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by RUDDY:
richarson is a good player but not a patch on giggs at the same age<hr></blockquote>

Quite right.

Livvie · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:

<a href="https://www.redcafe.net/home/" target="_blank">Which formation should we use in the Premier League? </a><hr></blockquote>

Where did that spring from???

What I really want is a poll of 70,000+ supporters.

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:


Where did that spring from???<hr></blockquote>

Hmmmmmmmm

giggzy · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:


I'm saying we've a right to an opinion. And Fergie isn't always right.

No knocking his past achievements for one minute - but if the players can lose hunger, or lose ability, or whatever - so can the manager. I'm not saying he has, but I don't like double standards, and they are being applied here all the time.<hr></blockquote>

opinions...and everyone has one, so do crap TV pundits, that haven't been a success at managerial level..

i don't think he's lost any hunger at all... did u see him after the siddy game <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

can't knock SAF, history will prove he's been more right than wrong...and i think he'll do it again...

Neil Thomson · Nov 24, 2002

"You brought the reddness thing up."

"were any of these 'supporters' from manchester? "

"i dont really give a shit where people come from as long as they go to most games not just arse,pool and big CL games stopping real reds getting tickets.
the manchester comment was because i hadnt seen the show you were talking about and no real red who has seen where fergie has taken us would say such bullshit."

"a proper red who works for that woeful channel is andy whos knows what hes talking about

where do they put him? reds @ feckin 5 with a muppet "

Neil Thomson · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:


Where did that spring from???

What I really want is a poll of 70,000+ supporters.<hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />

RUDDY · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:


where do they put him? reds @ feckin 5 with a muppet "<hr></blockquote>

this right here makes you look a twat

he does work with a muppet,you know where a man has his hand up his ass and makes him talk

andy sits right by me on match days

Livvie · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by giggzy:


i don't think he's lost any hunger at all... did u see him after the siddy game <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

can't knock SAF, history will prove he's been more right than wrong...and i think he'll do it again...<hr></blockquote>

I don't think he's lost the hunger. But I think he's developed a Maggie Thatcher type stance, where he is never wrong, and will never change. He's too stubborn imo for the good of Manchester United.

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
"You brought the reddness thing up."

"were any of these 'supporters' from manchester? "

"i dont really give a shit where people come from as long as they go to most games not just arse,pool and big CL games stopping real reds getting tickets.
the manchester comment was because i hadnt seen the show you were talking about and no real red who has seen where fergie has taken us would say such bullshit."

"a proper red who works for that woeful channel is andy whos knows what hes talking about

where do they put him? reds @ feckin 5 with a muppet "<hr></blockquote>

I think that Neil has gone round the bloody twist. What is all that supposed to mean? Are you trying to make a point? <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

RUDDY · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
"You brought the reddness thing up."

"were any of these 'supporters' from manchester? "

"i dont really give a shit where people come from as long as they go to most games not just arse,pool and big CL games stopping real reds getting tickets.
the manchester comment was because i hadnt seen the show you were talking about and no real red who has seen where fergie has taken us would say such bullshit."

"a proper red who works for that woeful channel is andy whos knows what hes talking about

where do they put him? reds @ feckin 5 with a muppet "<hr></blockquote>

and the rest of that post was a responce to liv

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:


I don't think he's lost the hunger. But I think he's developed a Maggie Thatcher type stance, where he is never wrong, and will never change. He's too stubborn imo for the good of Manchester United.<hr></blockquote>

But that is what I tried to say before, he is almost Manchester United. Without him there would hardly be a Manchester United as we all know it.

Livvie · Nov 24, 2002

Having said all that tho - I can't imagine anyone else in charge.

He's like an infuriating dad. One who can embarrasses the hell out of you as well as make your life a misery with his rules.
But you still love him.

giggzy · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:


I don't think he's lost the hunger. But I think he's developed a Maggie Thatcher type stance, where he is never wrong, and will never change. He's too stubborn imo for the good of Manchester United.<hr></blockquote>

look he's always been stubborn! thats his ethos..which has got him and US quite far

and he's ALWAYS made mistakes, but he's human afterall...

btw, when u mean 'for good of man united', are u implying its best that he leaves?

i am sure he'll prove everyone WRONG again.. just like he did in 95...when he sold three of our stars...

giggzy · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:
Having said all that tho - I can't imagine anyone else in charge.

He's like an infuriating dad. One who can embarrasses the hell out of you as well as make your life a misery with his rules.
But you still love him. <hr></blockquote>

course we do!! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />

Livvie · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by giggzy:


btw, when u mean 'for good of man united', are u implying its best that he leaves?

<hr></blockquote>

God no. Just wish he was less stubborn and would treat all the players the same. And wouldn't throw a tantrum when someone like Stuart Pearson offers an opinion that differs to his.

Neil Thomson · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by RUDDY:


this right here makes you look a twat

he does work with a muppet,you know where a man has his hand up his ass and makes him talk

andy sits right by me on match days<hr></blockquote>
You're the one who thinks of fans in terms of Redness, as I've shown. And I think its crazy to say such a thing about someone like Stuart Pearson or someone who's managed to get a job on MUTV as they obviously have a great affection and devotion for United.

giggzy · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by WeasteDevil:


But that is what I tried to say before, he is almost Manchester United. Without him there would hardly be a Manchester United as we all know it.<hr></blockquote>

he and busby are manchester united..

without him, we would be challenging siddy for bottom spot each year.

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by giggzy:


he and busby are manchester united..

without him, we would be challenging siddy for bottom spot each year. <hr></blockquote>

Exactly, The two legends of Manchester United.

Livvie · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by WeasteDevil:


Exactly, The two legends of Manchester United.<hr></blockquote>

But Busby had humility.

giggzy · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:


God no. Just wish he was less stubborn and would treat all the players the same.<hr></blockquote>

he'll never do that!!

kanchelskis got treated badly.. as have others after him.

but hey, thats him...and he's been a kinda successful over the years, with his ways.

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

"Working under Jock was like taking an honours degree in management".

What a class thing for a class manager to say!

giggzy · Nov 24, 2002

SAF is GOD.

well he is in Manchester <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

RUDDY · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:

You're the one who thinks of fans in terms of Redness, as I've shown. And I think its crazy to say such a thing about someone like Stuart Pearson or someone who's managed to get a job on MUTV as they obviously have a great affection and devotion for United.<hr></blockquote>

apart from asking liv if they were from manchester as i had not seen the show in question ive said nothing of the sort

theres a bloke called ally who works there hes an aberdeen fan yea feckin devoted cnut he is

still you got the wrong end of the stick and are digging

i said andy works with a muppet and you thought i meant that person was a muppet didnt you when in fact it is a muppet

Livvie · Nov 24, 2002

I'm going to watch the match again.

So goodnight Giggzy, goodnight Weaste, goodnight Neil, goodnight Ruddy - goodnight JohnBoy......

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

I reckon winning the Treble had nothing at all to do with SAF, it was that zip that Umbro put on the shirt that did it.

giggzy · Nov 24, 2002

take care, liv..

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:
I'm going to watch the match again.

So goodnight Giggzy, goodnight Weaste, goodnight Neil, goodnight Ruddy - goodnight JohnBoy......<hr></blockquote>

G'dnight Livvie.

RUDDY · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:
I'm going to watch the match again.

So goodnight Giggzy, goodnight Weaste, goodnight Neil, goodnight Ruddy - goodnight JohnBoy......<hr></blockquote>

night-night

thanx for calling me a tosser

Neil Thomson · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by Livvie20:
I'm going to watch the match again.

So goodnight Giggzy, goodnight Weaste, goodnight Neil, goodnight Ruddy - goodnight JohnBoy......<hr></blockquote>
Ditto!

Livvie · Nov 24, 2002

Originally posted by RUDDY:


theres a bloke called ally who works there hes an aberdeen fan yea feckin devoted cnut he is

<hr></blockquote>

Was in a boy band too. Bad Boys Inc.

Night.

WeasteDevil · Nov 24, 2002

Nice how Neil very rarely answers any serious questions put towards him isn't it, despite his endless hours of analysis?

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