The Trump Presidency - Part 2

The Boy said:
It's weird to me that climate isn't a bigger factor in elections, it's not just the US, in the UK election back in the summer, though it was mentioned a bit, mostly in terms of Labour's GB Energy plan, the climate emergency was almost completely missing, it seemed to be the same in the US election as well.

If people care so much about the economy, you'd have thought that climate would play into that.
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That is spot on.
We are reading that 2024 is a highly likely to be the first year when the average temperature will exceed the 1.5C figure.
And in fact looking at the charts, the temperature increase is also looking like a very significant jump.

But as you rightly say, it hardly merits a mention.
Humanity is supposed to be an intelligent species.
And yet we are not able to control our population increase.
And we are not really interested in controlling our use of fossil fuels even though the vast majority of people are perfectly aware of the damage it is doing, to the only home we have.
 
Buster15 said:
That is spot on.
We are reading that 2024 is a highly likely to be the first year when the average temperature will exceed the 1.5C figure.
And in fact looking at the charts, the temperature increase is also looking like a very significant jump.

But as you rightly say, it hardly merits a mention.
Humanity is supposed to be an intelligent species.
And yet we are not able to control our population increase.
And we are not really interested in controlling our use of fossil fuels even though the vast majority of people are perfectly aware of the damage it is doing, to the only home we have.
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Our entire economic system in America is built around population increase. All of our retirement funds are invested in the stock markets meaning it's not good enough if a company made $100,000,000 in profit this year if they made that same profit last year. The stocks only go up if profit increases. That means we need more consumers every year which is one reason the republicans hate birth control. More people = more money and the environment will always take a back seat, especially when corporate America isn't holding the bag during natural disasters.
 
gaffs said:
I have many issues with Trump, but the one the bugs me most is my inability to tune him out. Unlike any other President or world leader, he is ever present in everyone's life.

From 2016 to 2020, I felt the daily outrage. Be it waking up to his midnight tweets or the news covering the latest scandal.

This time, with many guardrails gone and the fact he will surround himself with yes men, I think he will be even harder to ignore. I feel sick at the thought of seeing him inaugurated in the same place he started the Jan 6 riot.

How does one go about tuning him out? As the daily outrage is not good for mental health.
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It’s impossible because so much of it is amplified by the other side to laugh / ridicule.

Im in a few internet echo chambers and its always there that I find out about certain people.

There’s a vicious circle of constantly giving oxygen to people you don’t want to give it to.
 
thegregster said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/13/politics/china-tariffs-biden-trump/index.html

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/03/news/economy/obama-china-tire-tariff/index.html

https://money.cnn.com/2016/07/27/news/economy/donald-trump-ronald-reagan-trade-japan/index.html


https://www.heritage.org/report/the-high-cost-clintons-trade-war-the-european-union


The US has been pro tariffs and quotas for a very long time.
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The difference with Trump's version is that he is proposing tariffs on all foreign goods, not just certain countries

China also happens to be the US's third biggest export market after Canada and Mexico, does he think these and other countries won't retaliate?

I'd love to see the world retaliate by adding a 1000% tariff on the Trump properirs and brand name :lol:
 
Red in STL said:
The difference with Trump's version is that he is proposing tariffs on all foreign goods, not just certain countries

China also happens to be the US's third biggest export market after Canada and Mexico, does he think these and other countries won't retaliate?

I'd love to see the world retaliate by adding a 1000% tariff on the Trump properirs and brand name :lol:
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Im sure there will be convenient carve outs. Based on AliExpress, DHgate and Temu best sellers 90% of Trump merch comes from...China.
 
Mainoonited said:
I think it'll be proper box office. He doesn't have to worry about re-election, he's an egotist, he's going to want to leave his mark.

It's going to be MAGA Pro MAX.
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Maybe im an arsehole, but they've made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

A lot of innocent people are going to suffer in this insanity unfortunately, but he won with a pretty convincing majority and all those stupid fecks deserve whatever is coming
 
Redplane said:
Im sure there will be convenient carve outs. Based on AliExpress, DHgate and Temu best sellers 90% of Trump merch comes from...China.
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I'm sure you're right but the MAGA's won't know about it
 
Bobcat said:
Maybe im an arsehole, but they've made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

A lot of innocent people are going to suffer in this insanity unfortunately, but he won with a pretty convincing majority and all those stupid fecks deserve whatever is coming
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If it was only that simple, the effect on non-Americans is likely to be just as big as well, I imagine that Ukrainians will be bricking it now, and if he goes ahead with his tariff proposals then the majority of the world is likely to suffer
 
gaffs said:
The problem is, it is too big an issue for people to grapple with. And the attitude is, "what can the US do when China, India etc are polluting regardless". Even when people homes are wiped out, they don't change their way of thinking on the issue. Florida is one of the states most impacted, yet it gets redder and redder.

I find it very hard to believe that people think that the GOP are better on climate than The Democrats. Their candidate, now President elect, is telling us it is a hoax.
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It comes down to Musk sadly. Not a common view by any means but like the Yang tweet it's a variation on Musk has done more for thr environment than the Dems.
 
Red in STL said:
The difference with Trump's version is that he is proposing tariffs on all foreign goods, not just certain countries

China also happens to be the US's third biggest export market after Canada and Mexico, does he think these and other countries won't retaliate?

I'd love to see the world retaliate by adding a 1000% tariff on the Trump properirs and brand name :lol:
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It's a negotiating tactic by Trump. The US lost a lot of manufacturing jobs to globalisation due to bad trade deals.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...point-for-negotiation-s-p-124110701958_1.html

Nafta acted like a slow-motion poison for Democrats. After Congress ratified it in 1993, year by year more factories closed and more jobs disappeared as manufacturers moved operations to Mexico to take advantage of that country’s lower wages. The Economic Policy Institute, a progressive thinktank, estimates that the US lost 682,000 jobs due to Nafta, which largely eliminated tariffs between the US, Mexico and Canada.
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oneniltothearsenal said:
It comes down to Musk sadly. Not a common view by any means but like the Yang tweet it's a variation on Musk has done more for thr environment than the Dems.
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Makes you wonder how much of that is the special interests with access to rare mineral deposits in the world. If the first Trump term didn't teach America our country and the WH is for sale - then you weren't paying attention.
 
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While this is probably made up, and we will see many more like this over the next 4 years followed by the "things that didn't happen" meme of we pretend for a moment that it is true, they probably weren't getting their bonuses anyway.

Companies love to find ways to blame their own workforce when theyre about to shaft them.
 
MarylandMUFan said:
Our entire economic system in America is built around population increase. All of our retirement funds are invested in the stock markets meaning it's not good enough if a company made $100,000,000 in profit this year if they made that same profit last year. The stocks only go up if profit increases. That means we need more consumers every year which is one reason the republicans hate birth control. More people = more money and the environment will always take a back seat, especially when corporate America isn't holding the bag during natural disasters.
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Yes indeed. And that is not just applicable to the US. Because that is the way the financial markets work. It is all about short term thinking.

I have grandchildren who could well be alive at the end of the century. I have no idea what the world will be like then..... not great I am thinking.
 
The Boy said:
It's weird to me that climate isn't a bigger factor in elections, it's not just the US, in the UK election back in the summer, though it was mentioned a bit, mostly in terms of Labour's GB Energy plan, the climate emergency was almost completely missing, it seemed to be the same in the US election as well.

If people care so much about the economy, you'd have thought that climate would play into that.
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I can kind of understand it in the uk as climate change doesn’t really affect us too much.
But if you live in parts of America where you are going to get increasingly battered by hurricanes if nothing changes you’d think that should come into it more than it does.
 
Bobcat said:
Maybe im an arsehole, but they've made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

A lot of innocent people are going to suffer in this insanity unfortunately, but he won with a pretty convincing majority and all those stupid fecks deserve whatever is coming
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I'm not American so not really aware of his domestic policies. Was he bad last time around?
 
Mainoonited said:
I'm not American so not really aware of his domestic policies. Was he bad last time around?
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He appointed supreme court judges that have taken away peoples rights, badly fumbled the covid epidemic, imposed tariffs that increased consumer prices, introduced a tax plan that mainly benefited corporations and the wealthy, and tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, but failed.

That's the bad stuff I can come up with, off the top of my head.
 
Mainoonited said:
I'm not American so not really aware of his domestic policies. Was he bad last time around?
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Good (economy): The economy, and even more importantly, its perception) was great until covid, which is what people remember most.

Bad (covid): I think that covid was massively and utterly mismanaged, which is why he lost the election. The message from the White House back then was mixed, and insane.

It depends on whom you ask (judges): He (and McConnell) appointed a shitload of federal judges, and 3 supreme court picks, with the main legacy being overthrowing Roe vs Wade in technicality, and essentially saying that the president cannot be prosecuted for any official act.

It depends on whom you ask (foreign policy): A relatively non-interventionist policy from the US, but also no wars that the West cares about. GOP would say that was cause of Trump, the Dems would say that it was despite Trump and that he almost broke alliances that were for over half a century.

I think that without covid, he would have crushed Biden in the election. But covid was so badly mismanaged, and as importantly, it fecked up the economy, that the people voted against him.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
It comes down to Musk sadly. Not a common view by any means but like the Yang tweet it's a variation on Musk has done more for thr environment than the Dems.
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Didn't help that Trump's SC blocked most of the measures that the Dems tried to bring in, and if the gutting of Federal agencies goes ahead it's going to get worse
 
I can't believe that this thread has become reality. What a next 4 years ahead...
 
Sorry I want to ask, after reading some news on project 2025. Is it going to be the agenda from now on? :eek:
 
pjaya said:
Sorry I want to ask, after reading some news on project 2025. Is it going to be the agenda from now on? :eek:
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Who knows? Trump has distanced himself from it, which may or may not be pure election strategy. Project 2025 is deeply ideological and Trump is not an ideologue, but he will be surrounded by them and they will try to influence him in that direction.

My guess is that much of the economic and administrative policy will be implemented, but the restrictive social policies won’t.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Who knows? Trump has distanced himself from it, which may or may not be pure election strategy. Project 2025 is deeply ideological and Trump is not an ideologue, but he will be surrounded by them and they will try to influence him in that direction.

My guess is that much of the economic and administrative policy will be implemented, but the restrictive social policies won’t.
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Oh ok thanks
 
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