The Trump Presidency - Part 2

The Boy said:
It's weird to me that climate isn't a bigger factor in elections, it's not just the US, in the UK election back in the summer, though it was mentioned a bit, mostly in terms of Labour's GB Energy plan, the climate emergency was almost completely missing, it seemed to be the same in the US election as well.

If people care so much about the economy, you'd have thought that climate would play into that.
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Climate will never be a real election topic in any country unless it results in a clear and obvious immediate catastrophe. People vote on things they see as immediately impactful and wash to wrap their heads around. The big bad smelly immigrants coming for you just sells better than our planet is getting warmer by X per cent every year and this is how it will eventually destroy the planet.
 
Admitting climate change is a big deal, inevitably means self-sacrifice, getting off fossil fuels means a worse standard of living, nobody is voting for that, even if they say so in the polls.

It sells better to just say that its a chinese hoax, and pretend its not happening.
 
Morty_ said:
Admitting climate change is a big deal, inevitably means self-sacrifice, getting off fossil fuels means a worse standard of living, nobody is voting for that, even if they say so in the polls.

It sells better to just say that its a chinese hoax, and pretend its not happening.
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which is why the correct utilitarian course of action is to hope for the promised 200% tariffs and violent american political and economic decline :)
 
The day of the Biden debate, I said in that thread, they need to replace him, even if it's Kamala, and she has a chance if the admin ends one of the two wars. That doesn't mean she brings about a *just* end, but just the appearance of an end to chaos. Because it's not foreign death that bothers American voters (unless it's the death of identified fellow humans like Israelis), it's the perception of chaos, a weak president, and things not in American's control. Biden's strategy of prolonging the war while also leaking how much Bibi was disrespecting him was the worst of all worlds - first, obviously, it kept the war in the news, second, it made him look weak. If they had worked out a plan to kill 500,000 Palestinians within July and then declare the war over, that would have benefited Kamala's campaign (while solidifying Bibi as the greatest PM in Israeli history). Of course, Biden could also end it instantly by withdrawing weapons and diplomatic support, but that is antithetical to Zionist beliefs about Palestinians, and Biden is a sincere lifelong Zionist.


So why am I saying all this in the Trump thread? Because that is exactly the response he is going to get when the Ukraine war ends - on unfavourable terms for Ukraine, but in a favourable PR setting for Trump. That is the response he will get when the IDF completes its liquidation of the remaining ghetto inhabitants in Northern Gaza before February, and the monthly aerial bombings after that drop below the radar. It will mark him as the strong man, whose allies listen to him, and whose enemies fall before him. The narrative "the ME was peaceful and Russia was contained during Trump I" will be reinforced permanently.

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Morty_ said:
Admitting climate change is a big deal, inevitably means self-sacrifice, getting off fossil fuels means a worse standard of living, nobody is voting for that, even if they say so in the polls.

It sells better to just say that its a chinese hoax, and pretend its not happening.
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Part of me wonders if thats part of the appeal of Trump. The world is going to hell and they want to maintain their position as top dog in the apocalypse. They want an unpredictable sociopath who's going to throw his weight around.
Explicitly saying thats the plan would be a pretty bad idea if that was the plan. Being ahead of the curve and more prepared than anyone else and just saying 'oh its a big hoax, were buying carbon credits so that'll fix it anyway' is a kind of dumb, outrageous lie that saves you telling anyone what your actual plan is.
 
Suv666 said:
As much as I loathe Trump and his tariffs this sounds like bs
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Not sure I get what they are saying. Do they need to buy lots of materials because they get them from China and if Trump sticks a tarrif on China then China will reciprocate, putting up the cost of materials if they don't buy them first? Or are they saying that they will pay the tariff for their Chinese customers to maintain the business - which seems unlikely? Or something else?
 
Morty_ said:
Admitting climate change is a big deal, inevitably means self-sacrifice, getting off fossil fuels means a worse standard of living, nobody is voting for that, even if they say so in the polls.
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I did and would again.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Not sure why anyone thought he’d do that. The impression I’ve always got is that he’s firmly on Russia and Israel’s side wrt the two conflicts.
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I know but there seems to be firm evidence that some people didn't vote democrat in the mistaken belief that the Palestinians would be better off. Which is madness.
 
Red in STL said:
If it was only that simple, the effect on non-Americans is likely to be just as big as well, I imagine that Ukrainians will be bricking it now, and if he goes ahead with his tariff proposals then the majority of the world is likely to suffer
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Eh, the world didnt collapse last time and i dont think it will do this time either. Americans are no doubt in for some tough years, but i dont really think the rest of the world is going to be that much affected unless he starts a war or something. Ukraine is done for i agree, but that seems inevitable now and i dont think Harris would have made much difference considering she would have needed approval from congress to send more money and material

I think we all forgot how monunmentally stupid Trump is, and his whole tarrifs scheme is just an attempt to revive American industry. In the end, these tarrifs are going to increase prices for American consumers the most
 
Wibble said:
Not sure I get what they are saying. Do they need to buy lots of materials because they get them from China and if Trump sticks a tarrif on China then China will reciprocate, putting up the cost of materials if they don't buy them first? Or are they saying that they will pay the tariff for their Chinese customers to maintain the business - which seems unlikely? Or something else?
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I think they want to stock up on inventory before it gets more expensive?
Its hella vague
Plus too convenient as well, Trump voters in a swing state get swift justice…
Don’t buy that
 
Wibble said:
Not sure I get what they are saying. Do they need to buy lots of materials because they get them from China and if Trump sticks a tarrif on China then China will reciprocate, putting up the cost of materials if they don't buy them first? Or are they saying that they will pay the tariff for their Chinese customers to maintain the business - which seems unlikely? Or something else?
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Sounds bullshit, but the idea is the first. China doesn't need to reciprocate for the materials to become more expensive. China reciprocating will make US exports to them more expensive.

The materials get more expensive because of the tariff on imports, so they stock up on them before Trump is inaugurated.

Hence why it's said to be an inflationary policy.
 
Speaking of tariffs on Chinese made products, aside from all the Trump merch made in China, will Trump handbags and watches get an exemption too? What about Chinese investors in Trump properties? Will they get a pass? Similarly will Trump and co seize investing in China themselves? So many questions I dont know the answer to!

Oh and what about resources for Tesla's batteries coming from China? Or Tesla's built in China all together?

How unpredictable this will all be /s

And gee will Trump make it very easy for insiders/capitalists again like last time by timing certain announcements and giving them a wink wink again in advance? Man of the people politics that guy.

People have truly forgotten how much of a shit show it was last time it seems. But people with things to hide at least enjoyed the hell out of it.
 
Redplane said:
Speaking of tariffs on Chinese made products, aside from all the Trump merch made in China, will Trump handbags and watches get an exemption too? What about Chinese investors in Trump properties? Will they get a pass? Similarly will Trump and co seize investing in China themselves? So many questions I dont know the answer to!

Oh and what about resources for Tesla's batteries coming from China? Or Tesla's built in China all together?

How unpredictable this will all be /s

And gee will Trump make it very easy for insiders/capitalists again like last time by timing certain announcements and giving them a wink wink again in advance? Man of the people politics that guy.
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Yes, there will likely be exemptions. Ivanka applied for and was fast tracked for 40 Chinese trademarks back in 2019, so you can bet Trump will arrange for things and people of interest to him to be exempted.
 
Raoul said:
Yes, there will likely be exemptions. Ivanka applied for and was fast tracked for 40 Chinese trademarks back in 2019, so you can bet Trump will arrange for things and people of interest to him to be exempted.
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MAGA, ammirite? Except we ll make some people who already hold more wealth than the 99.9 of the world very very much wealthier, including many outside our borders. Who ever said Trump is focused on bettering just America and taking an isolationist approach is clearly wrong. The man is an elite globalist. What a guy. Can't wait for that trickle down effect again too.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Climate will never be a real election topic in any country unless it results in a clear and obvious immediate catastrophe. People vote on things they see as immediately impactful and wash to wrap their heads around.
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The increase in mass wildfires, huge hurricanes, extreme winter storms, tornados, devastating flooding and extreme weather events in general is clear and obvious for everyone to see and that's without having to look abroad to places like Valencia etc.

In 2024 alone there have been 24 climate events that, so far, have cost more than a billion dollars and some like Milton far more than that.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/bi...t of these 400 events exceeds $2.785 trillion.

Climate and weather in the US disasters have cost trillions in the last few decades and every year it gets worse and more expensive. If people are so worried about the cost fuel or their weekly food shop, how come in places like Florida they aren't worried about the cost of home insurance, where depending on which source you look at, homeowners insurance has gone up from anywhere between 30 - 60% in the last year alone. Yet they vote for a climate denier and say it's because of the economy.

What more do people need?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Of course, my bad
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He's talked about ending birthright citizenship, so if you were born to non citizens in the States, you become a citizen, so can vote, but then could be deported by him.
 
My friend is devastated about Trump becoming President, she is a big figure In the LGBTQ community in New York, she helps put on Gay Pride in many places in the US / UK, well she's lost millions of dollars overnight and essentially her job because many companies are now pulling out of sponsorship and well Gay Pride festivals itself is under threat now, seeing somebody going through it on a personal level and a direct hit is devastating, I can't vote myself (even though my Mum is a Citizen and very much Trumper) to try and explain this away is just me waving my hands to nothingness, I can't relate to her, I'm English, White and straight, I'm the epitome of what Trump probably wants in this country as a legal immigrant but I don't feel like I should be in a special category, I'm devastated for the people around me even if I'm in a deep red state, there certainly alot of unhappy people in alot of different directions
 
Sky1981 said:
That's basically... Maybe... Half of American? Maybe even more? How does that work? Which nation they deport them to?
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No idea and I'm pretty sure Trump has no idea either beyond a concept! But I'm sure he'll start with DACA, lots of dreamers are old enough now to have kids who can vote (they had to be under 31 in 2012)
 
The Boy said:
He's talked about ending birthright citizenship, so if you were born to non citizens in the States, you become a citizen, so can vote, but then could be deported by him.
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I read somewhere that’ll require a constitutional amendment and Republicans doesn’t have the numbers to pull it off.
 
Suv666 said:
I read somewhere that’ll require a constitutional amendment and Republicans doesn’t have the numbers to pull it off.
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Lots of US citizens were deported during Operation Wet Back. It’s about kicking brown people out, not about whether they are there legally or not.

The actual illegal immigrants who elude the laws will be fine. Between ICE and Border Patrol, they have somewhere between 60-70k personnel, it’s the one who put themselves through the process who will be low hanging fruit for Miller/Trump to claim success in their mass deportation program.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Lots of US citizens were deported during Operation Wet Back. It’s about kicking brown people out, not about whether they are there legally or not.

The actual illegal immigrants who elude the laws will be fine. Between ICE and Border Patrol, they have somewhere between 60-70k personnel, it’s the one who put themselves through the process who will be low hanging fruit for Miller/Trump to claim success in their mass deportation program.
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Crikey, I never knew about that. The pictures of it look really grim.
 
The only positive I can see to this is that SpaceX will likely try and speed up the Mars mission.
 
Sky1981 said:
That's basically... Maybe... Half of American? Maybe even more? How does that work? Which nation they deport them to?
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The nation their parents came from. And if implemented it won't be used for everybody. Mostly will serve as a intimidation tool to get people in line.
 
Big Andy said:
So the President of the United States could murder someone freely and not get prosecuted?
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Yep. They sanctioned hits with collateral damage on daily basis. They can't do their job if shit happened and they got prosecuted.

Not to mention black ops and for your eyes only clandestine operation that certainly would have broken every law on the book. Hell those top secret dirt they collected and swept under the rug is already a breach of constitution

To be fair every president has that immunity at least on de facto basis
 
Siorac said:
Yes, the Supreme Court said pretty much that.
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I don't think that sunk in to a lot of people. He was literally told he can do ANYTHING as a Presidential act. And not be prosecuted for it.
People may think oh well its "them" that will be the victims of that not "me". But its downright scary the idea of a known felon, fraud having that reassurance.
 
Kanye West to recite the inauguration poem.
Aileen Cannon appointed to the Supreme Court.
All public schools required to purchase one Trump bible per pupil.
Criticizing the president is now illegal.
 
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