The Trump Presidency - Part 2

neverdie said:
that and many more billions worth in government outsourcing to spacex.
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Remember he launched SpaceForce and not much has been heard about this, watch Musk take a dominant position as his newly formed Minister for Space?
 
1988 said:
But why?
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Trump his tariffs on EU products would make the German cars more expensive in the US. That is positive for Tesla.

Also Musk will be in a position of power and able to steer policy more favorable to his companies.

Elon invested 130 million into Trump his campaign and became 25 billion richer from his stock portfolio.
 
Stadjer said:
Trump his tariffs on EU products would make the German cars more expensive in the US. That is positive for Tesla.

Also Musk will be in a position of power and able to steer policy more favorable to his companies.

Elon invested 130 million into Trump his campaign and became 25 billion richer from his stock portfolio.
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Telsa's will go up in price as well since many of their supplier are from overseas (especially their chargers which come from China).
 
Woziak said:
Remember he launched SpaceForce and not much has been heard about this, watch Musk take a dominant position as his newly formed Minister for Space?
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Musk gets >10bn (likely far more in hidden Pentagon/weapon viability contracts) every year already from the government. NASA has basically outsourced all the heavy lifting to SpaceX.

I don't think Musk seriously wants a job in the WH. If I were head of a trillion dollar company and wanted to remain so, I don't see how I could have the time. He might do what he said he would - look over the budget, which could be disastrous if he goes where I think he'll go (social security and taxes which are necessary for things billionaires might not appreciate) - but I don't see him doing anything more. He might even have an office for that task (probably necessary by law anyway, unless outside consultant) but it would be very symbolic imo and largely "loose" with respect to the overall Trump "regime" to come.

Whatever one thinks of Trump (could be here until a thousand monkeys write the complete works of Shakespeare in a linear sequence....) he is going to inherit a WH which oversees (governmentally) a nation facing challenges it has not faced in a century (shrinking GDP with respect to the rise of the South and the Brics as the most notable of that southern/eastern rise). Once upon a time, the USA was more than 50% of the world's economy. In living memory, too. It is now about 20% (some say 25% and others say 15%). I'll go with the middle figure (PPP/GDP/other stuff I am not qualified to engage with). G7 is less, economically, than Brics. That's a seismic change.

point is, Trump has more than one company and one ceo to worry about if he wants to be serious about the job. Taking all the tech companies, as he will in some form (overseas market share and production of commodities outside the US inasmuch as some of that is crucial to large companies and other bits is profit gauging because the job market is depressed elsewhere), leaves you with a larger sense of the kind of problems he has hinted at tackling (as have the Democrats but more so with regulation regarding privacy).
 
As long as Trump is president, he is going to hold press conferences, state of the union speeches, meetings with foreign leaders etc., and his brain is already mush. There will a lot of absurdity beginning in January.
 
News popping up on Australian TV that the Chinese tariffs are 60%

Financial crises here we come
 
Siorac said:
Why on Earth would Republicans ever run Tulsi fecking Gabbard for president?

That's the wildest idea I've heard so far today.
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I think they’ll run Vance and stick with maga almost certainly. But it’s something I’d like to see..
 
Not sure if he will try, but if Trump wants the US to withdraw from NATO, what is required, 60 votes in the senate, simple majority in the house?
 
I've mentioned this before but screw it - the only shining light in the absolute shitshow of Trumps policies is that 60% China tariffs. 20% global tariffs are absolutely insane.

But 60% China tariffs is hitting them when they're down - US can import from elsewhere, USA is China's largest and most lucrative market.

Self damage now to harm your opposition even more. Yes, it will be painful - yes it will hurt. But ultimately better now than trying to do this in 2030 or 2040, where it might be too late.
 
Raoul said:
Tarrifs - Hard to say what will happen. He's had a 40 year hard on for China, so he will almost certainly try something there. Not sure about Mexico and elsewhere.

RFK - I can see Trump giving him some sort of health portfolio, then sacking him within months after he attempts to implement something bizarre that results in political blowback for Trump.

A day of violence - can't see that being a viable thing.

Mass Deportations - He will probably try to deport illegals. There's no way around it.

Russia/Ukraine - Zelinskyy is already buttering him up, so that may slow down his train of thought of ending the war a bit. Also, most of the frozen Russian funds are controlled by Europe, which could be used to continue the war indefinitely outside of Trump's purview.

Gaza/Lebanon - Netanyahu will have even more power to do whatever he wants. I expect calls to annex Gaza to magically gain momentum alongside much more settler expansion in the WB.

Musk will probably get some honorary role, but his biggest reward will be Trump expanding the government contract money for SpaceX. Tesla will probably also benefit in someway, probably by way of getting government money expand the Supercharger network as the national EV standard.
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+ the debt will hit 50 trillion by the time he leaves office
 
VorZakone said:
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It really is amazing that this didn’t kill his image. To think that he’s allowed to run for Prez and will be absolved of his crimes after taking office, is something. Well done Murica - who cares about a criminal record eh?
 
There are so many things to fear. From a policy perspective, what he talks about at his rallies could be written on the back of a cigarette packet. Which is why he will be using Project 2025 as his governing and policy playbook. The Heritage Foundation have been preparing this for years. All the career public servants will be replaced by MAGA loyalists who will bend and break the rules for him.

The most important thing for him though will be to ensure that all prosecutions are dropped, that may even include money owed by him, like the fines to NY State or to E Jean Carroll.

He will also want to make sure he has a DOJ that is loyal to him. He may use that to take revenge on some people. He will also want to make sure that any of his former missteps are expunged - im thinking the Epstein evidence that the FBI will have. That is if it was nox expunged prior.

One thing im least looking forward to is him freeing the "J6 Hostages". What a fecking message that will send to the country. You are allowed to commit crimes and act as a militia, as long as it is in the name of Trump. The idea of "equal justice for all" will be long gone under Trump.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I've mentioned this before but screw it - the only shining light in the absolute shitshow of Trumps policies is that 60% China tariffs. 20% global tariffs are absolutely insane.

But 60% China tariffs is hitting them when they're down - US can import from elsewhere, USA is China's largest and most lucrative market.

Self damage now to harm your opposition even more. Yes, it will be painful - yes it will hurt. But ultimately better now than trying to do this in 2030 or 2040, where it might be too late.
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Thanks - unless U.S. builds a strong manufacturing base, it's completely pointless and counterproductive to escalate a trade conflict with China. Which is not to say, that it won't happen - I am hoping Trump is more pragmatic than ideological.

Precisely the same reason why aid to Ukraine is over and Z is on his own to deal with Putin.
 
1988 said:
Can someone explain why Musk is so involved in this? What's he gaining?
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There's been tension between the Biden admin and Elon Musk even before he bought Twitter. Some issues revolving unions, policy disagreements, making it difficult for SpaceX to get permits, not inviting Tesla to the EV summit, DOJ suing SpaceX for discriminating against non-US citizen job seekers and some other dumb shit like that.
 
Morty_ said:
Doubt the electorate would blame Trump for any of the raising costs that the tariffs will bring.
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they intensely disliked him during the first term, he won both elections with negative personal ratings. not sure why it won't happen this time too.
 
Tarrou said:
they can't seriously put RFK in charge of healthcare can they? feck my life that would be a disaster

the guy who thinks vaccines cause autism, covid was engineered to target certain demographics and chemicals in the water are turning kids trans
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More likely he gets dumped before he gets anything done or isn't appointed at all to anything meaningful. Trump doesn't feel the need to keep to promises or agreements. I very much hope.
 
Red in STL said:
They blamed Biden for the cost of living so why not Trump?
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They still aren't able to make the connection with Trump and January 6th, nor the abortion bans, why would they be able to connect tariffs and rising cost? Most probably think China directly pays them anyway.
 
Tariffs are the kind of tax that aren't really directly identifiable for a consumer (especially in the US where sales tax aren't even part of the "price" but tariffs are).

For a republican hellbent on "lowering taxes" they are a viable way to keep the cash coming in, especially if your voters are too stupid to notice or just don't care that the method of taxation has shifted.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I've mentioned this before but screw it - the only shining light in the absolute shitshow of Trumps policies is that 60% China tariffs. 20% global tariffs are absolutely insane.

But 60% China tariffs is hitting them when they're down - US can import from elsewhere, USA is China's largest and most lucrative market.

Self damage now to harm your opposition even more. Yes, it will be painful - yes it will hurt. But ultimately better now than trying to do this in 2030 or 2040, where it might be too late.
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Why dont you move around where you live and check what's made in china.

And the tarrifs? They'll just move their company to a different country and export from there.

You both need each other. Let's not pretend it's a one way street. Nobody can replace china, not on such a short term notice
 
Morty_ said:
They still aren't able to make the connection with Trump and January 6th, nor the abortion bans, why would they be able to connect tariffs and rising cost? Most probably think China directly pays them anyway.
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Because not everyone that voted for Trump is a full on MAGA loon.

It’s early days but it seems a vast number of Americans voted because they feel poorer than they did 4 years ago and blamed the Biden Administration for that. If Trump fecks up the economy and it gets worse, he’ll lose those voters pretty quickly. And if the Dems (sadly) have a competent 50 something man running they’ll mop those voted up.
 
Cait Sith said:
Can't believe people here truly think he will tank the economy. Just look how Wall Street reacted today. There is no shot.

He will surely tank the German economy though. Mercedes, Volkswagen, BMW all -6 % today. Vassals who bet on Democrats in shambles.
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If he truly implements tariffs like he says and gave the wealthy another big tax cut it would do some long term damage to the bottom 80% economic prospects in the future or if he really went crazy could tank the economy. Either way his lack of action on climate change will cause long term damage when our whole energy economy should be transitioning away from fossil fuels. Personally I support a nuclear to green renewable transition but neither party have ever championed nuclear unfortunately.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I've mentioned this before but screw it - the only shining light in the absolute shitshow of Trumps policies is that 60% China tariffs. 20% global tariffs are absolutely insane.

But 60% China tariffs is hitting them when they're down - US can import from elsewhere, USA is China's largest and most lucrative market.

Self damage now to harm your opposition even more. Yes, it will be painful - yes it will hurt. But ultimately better now than trying to do this in 2030 or 2040, where it might be too late.
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His supporters think it's a way to get manufacturing jobs back to the US, but the sad truth is that the only thing it will do is increase the pace of automation within the various industries. The only way to make factories in the US cheap enough to compete with China is to cut environmental protections, cut worker rights and replace most workers with automated machines. Because a 60% tariff would be devastating, the government "has to" provide grants and special permits to industries to build their plants and make them cost efficient - the extra cost on the consumer from those tariffs is what is paying for everything.

As is often the case with Trump's policies, it is another transfer of wealth from the middle class to the richest in society.
 
berbatrick said:
they intensely disliked him during the first term, he won both elections with negative personal ratings. not sure why it won't happen this time too.
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He got 74 million votes after his disastrous term, pretty much the same he got now. He's pretty much immune to.... reality.
 
Siorac said:
He got 74 million votes after his disastrous term, pretty much the same he got now. He's pretty much immune to.... reality.
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yes and the 74m got him voted out of office, 2 years after his party got a bad beating in the midterms, 2 years later his party failed to make much progress in a layup midterm.
again, there's no evidence he and his brand of politics is immune to losing elections.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
If he truly implements tariffs like he says and gave the wealthy another big tax cut it would do some long term damage to the bottom 80% economic prospects in the future or if he really went crazy could tank the economy. Either way his lack of action on climate change will cause long term damage when our whole energy economy should be transitioning away from fossil fuels. Personally I support a nuclear to green renewable transition but neither party have ever championed nuclear unfortunately.
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Climate change is a complete runaway train at this point and most Americans don't even believe it's happening. Not even worth worrying about anymore, it's joever.
 
He isn’t bothered about re-election so he probably goes full scorched earth…
This is going to get ugly.
 
berbatrick said:
yes and the 74m got him voted out of office, 2 years after his party got a bad beating in the midterms, 2 years later his party failed to make much progress in a layup midterm.
again, there's no evidence he and his brand of politics is immune to losing elections.
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Trump isn't immune to losing elections but he IS immune to losing voters. There's a difference.

Those who voted for him will not blame him for any potential economic woes or... for anything, really. If he found a way to run four years from now, he'd get at least as many votes as he did this time regardless of what happens during his presidency.
 
neverdie said:
I don't think Musk seriously wants a job in the WH. If I were head of a trillion dollar company and wanted to remain so, I don't see how I could have the time.
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The last few months or years have surely proven that being a CEO isn't necessarily a lot of work. Musk is the CEO of several huge companies, and he's found the time to tweet hundreds of times per day.
 
Cait Sith said:
Can't believe people here truly think he will tank the economy. Just look how Wall Street reacted today. There is no shot.

He will surely tank the German economy though. Mercedes, Volkswagen, BMW all -6 % today. Vassals who bet on Democrats in shambles.
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A huge part of the loss yesterday is this complete disconnect between the performance of the S&P 500 , which continues to hit record highs, and the sentiment of many Americans on their day to day economic power.

Not to mention that he isn’t even in power yet, nor enacted any policies.

Regardless we will see. He has almost no guardrails this time. Nobody to blame other than himself and his party if things don’t go to plan.
 
Suv666 said:
He isn’t bothered about re-election so he probably goes full scorched earth…
This is going to get ugly.
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Actually think it’s going to be the opposite. His voters seem to dig his mean, ugly side as he has consistently reinforced it for the last 8 years yet his support grew or at least did not decline.

Now he has no real need to carry on this image. He can just go about things that can benefit him without any regard to what he had committed too. He’s an ego maniac too so might actually do things that cater to the other side as well, just to win some of them over and leave a better mark (probably false hope on this one).
 
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