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berbatrick said:
This question would have been relevant for many years now, under many different presidents. Honestly they should have a stock answer for it. Closeness to SA while blasting Iran isn't a new Trump-ian thing.
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Yes but whats new now, is the re-election of a Iranian 'moderate' leader and therefore an opportunity/opening for some diplomatic and long term improvements.
 
sglowrider said:
Yes but whats new now, is the re-election of a Iranian 'moderate' leader and therefore an opportunity/opening for some diplomatic and long term improvements.
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I did a quick google and couldn't see any contradictory statements from HRC, Bernie, Chuck Schumer, and Dianne Feinstein.
Google news searches for
Hillary Clinton Iran link to a terrifying video
Bernie Sanders Iran links to right-wing websites complaining about his praise for their recent elections and his supposed opposition to sanctions (abstained in a 99-0 vote)
Chuck Schumer to stuff about the deal
Dianne Deinstein specifically backs Trump "putting the Iranians on notice"
 
berbatrick said:
I did a quick google and couldn't see any contradictory statements from HRC, Bernie, Chuck Schumer, and Dianne Feinstein.
Google news searches for
Hillary Clinton Iran link to a terrifying video
Bernie Sanders Iran links to right-wing websites complaining about his praise for their recent elections and his supposed opposition to sanctions (abstained in a 99-0 vote)
Chuck Schumer to stuff about the deal
Dianne Deinstein specifically backs Trump "putting the Iranians on notice"
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Yes but its the president's job to set the tone for foreign affairs and his global views.

btw why bring up a 2008 video of Hillary? Things have changed since. My point was that there is a potential internal shift in Iran, with the people wanting to be more part of the global economy etc. By slamming the shut this early, it will only reduce the ability of the Iranian president to maneuver his internal political stakeholders.
 
sglowrider said:
Things have changed since
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Damn straight they have, Iran has just held democratic elections. Fair enough the candidates were pre chosen, but still, it's a massive improvement. The Iranians have accepted all sanctions against them and haven't been pushing and goading the West like they did previously. Even Trump had to agree the other day to continue with the deal that Obama struck, you know, the worst ever deal in history? Yeah, that one. It's working, and compared to North Korea, well enough said really.

The Republicans have had it with Iran for years, they have wanted war with them for as long as I can remember. Some of the language aimed at Iran from the GOP is despicable and Trump is just playing to the crowd and following suit. Obviously Israel and the Saudi's hate Iran too, so Trump must be like the second coming as far as they are concerned. As you said, there has been an internal shift and like with many other things, not only does Trump not understand what is going on, he's putting everything in danger. The man really is a moron and situations need delicate handling and diplomacy, not a blind, overweight insane bull in the proverbial china shop.
 
I had a chance to go to Iran for business with everything paid for, and couldn't because of that stupid law banning people from using the US visa waiver program for 5 years if they've visited Iran. Pisses me off. :mad:
 
Kentonio said:
I had a chance to go to Iran for business with everything paid for, and couldn't because of that stupid law banning people from using the US visa waiver program for 5 years if they've visited Iran. Pisses me off. :mad:
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:( Aw that really sucks, no wonder you are pissed off, you have every right to be. That's absolutely ridiculous and extremely unfair to say the very least.

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:lol:
 
Kentonio said:
I had a chance to go to Iran for business with everything paid for, and couldn't because of that stupid law banning people from using the US visa waiver program for 5 years if they've visited Iran. Pisses me off. :mad:
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Come to Tehrangeles instead.
 
langster said:
Damn straight they have, Iran has just held democratic elections. Fair enough the candidates were pre chosen, but still, it's a massive improvement. The Iranians have accepted all sanctions against them and haven't been pushing and goading the West like they did previously. Even Trump had to agree the other day to continue with the deal that Obama struck, you know, the worst ever deal in history? Yeah, that one. It's working, and compared to North Korea, well enough said really.

The Republicans have had it with Iran for years, they have wanted war with them for as long as I can remember. Some of the language aimed at Iran from the GOP is despicable and Trump is just playing to the crowd and following suit. Obviously Israel and the Saudi's hate Iran too, so Trump must be like the second coming as far as they are concerned. As you said, there has been an internal shift and like with many other things, not only does Trump not understand what is going on, he's putting everything in danger. The man really is a moron and situations need delicate handling and diplomacy, not a blind, overweight insane bull in the proverbial china shop.
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I dont think he is being stupid. Its a lot more nefarious than that. He goes where the money is. Thats his personal currency. Iran with all the sanctions has no or little value to him.
 
Raoul said:
Tweet is still up. Drumpf has probably gone to bed so it may stay like this for another 6 hours.

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Not difficult to see when the tranquilliser dart connected
 
sglowrider said:
Yes but its the president's job to set the tone for foreign affairs and his global views.

btw why bring up a 2008 video of Hillary? Things have changed since. My point was that there is a potential internal shift in Iran, with the people wanting to be more part of the global economy etc. By slamming the shut this early, it will only reduce the ability of the Iranian president to maneuver his internal political stakeholders.
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I googled Hillary Clinton Iran, and then news for the same. This was the 1st result. It was from a RW site so I thought it would be hyperbolic nonsense but the title turned out to be spot-on and the content genuinely scary. Maybe it's because I haven't been on the Bernie subs for a while but I had forgotten how many of these videos existed.

More generally, Trump indeed decides his foreign policy. It's upto the Dems to criticise him and put forward a different vision. In all 4 google searches, I found no criticism, in-fact I found praise. A hawkish line has been very popular among both parties, and Obama faced serious internal opposition when he tried to push his deal. Which all suggests that my original point stands - this is shit by Trump, but we have zero evidence at all that any mainstream president would be different.
 
sglowrider said:
I dont think he is being stupid. Its a lot more nefarious than that. He goes where the money is. Thats his personal currency. Iran with all the sanctions has no or little value to him.
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Yeah, that's a fair point, but I also think (as I said) he's playing to the crowd and they love it. It's probably a bit of both to be honest.
 
:D Cannot be long until Merriam Webster tweets that covfefe is the most often looked up word of the day.




Edit: Just found this. :lol:

 
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The Bullshitter-in-Chief
Donald Trump’s disregard for the truth is something more sinister than ordinary lying.

Spot on in many ways.

Harry Frankfurt’s theory of bullshit
As Frankfurt put it in his groundbreaking essay “On Bullshit,” “one of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit.”

Frankfurt attempts to give the term definition that distinguishes the bullshitter from the liar, with the most salient distinction being that the liar is genuinely trying to trick you.

“The bullshitter,” by contrast, “may not deceive us, or even intend to do so, either about the facts or about what he takes the facts to be.”

The liar wants to be seen as the one telling the truth. The bullshitter just doesn’t care. That’s Trump. During the course of the 2016 campaign, he said over and over again that America is “the highest-taxed nation in the world,” which isn’t even remotely close to being true. But he kept saying it, despite having been called out repeatedly, and then he said it again in a recent interview with the Economist.

Trump says, over and over again, that he won one of the greatest Electoral College landslides in history. It’s not true, it’s obviously not true to anyone who bothers to look it up or remembers any past presidential elections, and it’s not even remotely clear why it’s important. But Trump keeps on saying it.


This is just how Frankfurt defines bullshit:

For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose.

This is a perfect portrait of a typical Trump statement. His assertions about policy matters are often so garbled as to make it nearly impossible to work out what he’s even trying to say in order to evaluate its truth or falsity.
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/30/15631710/trump-bullshit
 
sglowrider said:
Yes but whats new now, is the re-election of a Iranian 'moderate' leader and therefore an opportunity/opening for some diplomatic and long term improvements.
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So-called 'moderates' have been elected in Iran before, like Rafsanjani and Khatami. Nothing new going on here.

langster said:
Damn straight they have, Iran has just held democratic elections. Fair enough the candidates were pre chosen, but still, it's a massive improvement.
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As above, nothing new here, they've been holding these elections since the Revolution.
 
berbatrick said:
Yes, the fact that those people had to use gofundme is a disgrace, regardless of which president's name is attached to the healthcare system involved.
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Keith Ellison has had to bite his lip many times when he's wanted to criticize the democratic party under Obamas presidency. He holds Obama responsible for democratic failures the last years. Probably why Obama pushed for the complete lack of substance corporate puppet Tom Perez to be DNC chair. A leader that seemingly gets booed wherever he goes on stage.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So. The whole nuclear codes thing? Does the POTUS need to be physically/mentally capable of accurately typing them into some sort of device?
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He's already considered that and that's why he shared them with the Russians.
 
FWIW, I think that tweet is nothing but a distraction tactic.
 
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