I'd like to see a Dennis Skinner rant against Trump.
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I'd like to see a Dennis Skinner rant against Trump.
Just think, she could go have tea and crumpets with Assad while his henchmen drop more Sarin gas on civilians.
Things might change, still 4 years to go
They essentially have a reputation of dying in service to their country. They are a symbol for everything Americans think is great about America. If he runs, he will win. I'm actually backing him for quite some time now.
It wasn't a criticism, more of an observation. Difficult to explain but I'll try anyway... When an inexperienced speaker who is very passionate about the subject has to speak in a public forum or high pressure situation, they tend to find it difficult to pace their speech and breathing correctly. It usually results in a bit of a stammer, their voice breaking or irregular breathing causing them issues as they try to compose themselves. To me it felt like he was that person only with a lifetime of public speaking training and experience behind him. It was like he was going to falter at any moment but he was enough of a pro to hold it all together.
So as I say it's not a criticism, if anything it's a positive. He clearly cares deeply about social care and any politician that can genuinely wear their heart on their sleeve will win a lot of support but he's also got the experience and education to articulate his views.
To be honest though maybe I'm just a little overwhelmed by an American politician articulating anything at all after listening to Trump's gobbledygook for so long.
If Blair came a generation later, I'd say he watched all his sermons online, with a 56k modem.
Every time....
...he speaks...
....it.. *waves hand*
.... is like he is....
constantly.... *waves hand again*
buffering.
The very the fact we think of Blair as a good orator, speaks volumes of how low our standards are. He was incredibly mannered and rehearsed. He was basicslly copying Clinton, but in that uniquely awkward English way, that gave the impression he'd flinch and duck behind his podium if a bigger boy pulled a fake out punch. You can't imagine him giving a rousing half time team talk, for example. Except perhaps to a group of corderoy wearing trainee accountants on a recovery seminar for crippling agoraphobia.
As awful as she was, Thatcher was far and away the best PM orator of my lifetime.
Mannered and rehearsed I'd agree, awkward less so.
Speaking of Tony B's, Benn was great at it. I think that generation in general were far better at it than the current lot.
The current lot don't have to be. Long speeches or through debates aren't as effective any more. It's all about slogans and 30-90 second sound bites that translate well onto social media.
Thatcher was surely mannered and rehearsed? Her entire style of vocalisation and intonation was mannered and rehearsed. If she got angry (and she did a lot) the cognitive dissonance of her controlled and trained speaking clashing with her rage made her rather off putting. She also went fecking mental just before they knifed her which did not help her rhetoric style either.
So Carter Page who was desperate to prove his innocence is now refusing to hand over documents.
Benn was definitely a great speaker. Even the likes of Ashdown weren't bad. But they were the type who relished being back bench rebels, which allowed them that kind of frank, uncompromising ideology. Blair was mannered and rehearsed because he wanted to be a leader. It's cynical as feck, and inideal, but its what wins. It's why Corbyn's undoubtably nice and honourable intentions aren't enough. He's a back bench rebel, not a leader.
I like Peter Cook's version of the bishop....
Of course. She certainly wasn't a natural presence in the way Obama was. She was just as rehearsed as Blair, she was just better at selling it than him. He came across as a cynical politico. She came across as a genuine stone cold bitch.
I'm no expert on US demographics but is it true that the youngest voters (18 and younger) are actually pretty conservative compared to millennials?
Younger voters in the U.S. tend to overwhelmingly trend to the left/progressive side. Older voters are slightly more on the right/Conservative side. If you extrapolate this for one or two more Presidential cycles, the country will be more and more Democratic/Left leaning in the coming years as the older Baby Boomers die off.
Probably been posted before... http://turnthispage.com/someone-dec...m&tse_id=INF_930cc3f031d211e78b099bd9c6581d40
Someone Decided That Donald Trump’s Chin Looks Like A Frog And Now He’s Getting Trolled Big Time
Someone Decided That Donald Trump’s Chin Looks Like A Frog And Now He’s Getting Trolled Big Time
Unless the ageing process through the life of individuals correlates to voting Republican?
Readit. Readit.
Younger voters in the U.S. tend to overwhelmingly trend to the left/progressive side. Older voters are slightly more on the right/Conservative side. If you extrapolate this for one or two more Presidential cycles, the country will be more and more Democratic/Left leaning in the coming years as the older Baby Boomers die off.
Apparently a very strong majority of white males under 30 voted for Trump.
Yes, older people do vote Republican far more than younger people. Also, worth considering - every 4 years another massive dump of people hit voting age AND another 3 million people get naturalized/become U.S. citizens, a majority of which tend to be democratic (62% Dem/ 25% GOP / 13% Independents).
...and probably even more under the influence.
Trump outperformed her on Whites across the board irrespective of age group. He also surprisingly did better with Women, which imo is what tipped things in his favor in the swing states. All things said, Hillary was an uninspiring candidate even if you remove the Comeygate/Wikileaks factor.
Christian right voted for Trump. It was a big factor due to electoral college. To be fair, the blue state christian voters voted blue, but their votes didn't matter as much as the red state christian votes. It would be interesting to see the percentage of Christian and social conservative voters in the states Trump won. They were one of the most important groups that delivered the win.
There is good data on general voting trends. But in the end Presidential elections are decided on personalities...the actual candidates.
The last election though surprised almost everyone, not least the candidates themselves.
Drumpf trying to get even with Stephen Colbert for insulting him through the FCC. 
http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/...t-s-controversial-trump-joke-chairman-n755821
http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/...t-s-controversial-trump-joke-chairman-n755821
Can't find a result that's gender specific, but white voters under 30 went Trump 47-43, compared to white voters in general going 57-37.
I mean Hillary nearly won anyway despite being uninspiring and "establishment". I didn't think Bernie could pull it off at the time, but in retrospect I think he would've beaten Trump, as he had the enthusiasm factor on his side.
I still cant shake off the feeling the Russians got into the voting machines and manipulated the results in certain states.
it was pure fluke. I thought at the time the Only path he had was through the rust belt. But even so it was a very long shot. He won those states by very thin margins.
Do you remember him walking down the stairs for the acceptence/victory speech?
He looked dazed.
Yep. He already had his team preparing for defeat as late as 6pm on Nov 8th.
How much credence do you give to idea that the vote itself was an anomalous perfect storm? As in, the models weren't that egregiously wrong, and Hillary wouldve probably won 7 times out of 10, given neutral conditions, but fate happened to land the election on a day where everything swung for Trump?
I've a strong suspicion that had you been given the chance to vote again (certainly with the benefit of hindsight) Hillary would win easily. Much as the post-Brexit polls showed an almost instant morning after swing back to remain, in the full light of consequence.
Hillary made mistakes, and was a dangerously divisive candidate to begin with, but my incling is that Trump's win was less a sizemic shift in ideology, and more a freak combination of apathy, complacency and circumstance.
But then, I've been on the wrong side of almost every election in the last 5 years. So perhaps I'm just naively optimistic, and the world is genuinely just full of cnuts.
GOP getting hammered about the need for single payer.
It was indeed a perfect storm. Any other scenario not involving Trump/Brexit sentiment, Comey's intervention, Wikileaks, Putin, and KremlinGate, and Hillary wouldn't won comfortably imo. The events of the two weeks or so before the election clearly nudged Trump across the finish line.
going to see a lot more of that especially after that ridiculous bill.
Expect the Democratic candidate to push for Medicare For All ,which people understand and trust rather than single payer which can be twisted into socialised European health care.
Even if they are the same.
Didn't Michael Moore predict it going exactly the way it did like months before the election?
Agreed. I think its going to be a massive issue in 2018 mid terms - one that will jilt the GOP to the core, since they are moving back to privatization at at time when teh country is moving towards single payer.
Paul Ryan, to me, seems like a evil man.
Can't even put my finger on exactly why...
Can't even put my finger on exactly why...
na na nah Nah....hey hey Goodbye.
class that.You know I thought it would take several cycles. But this looks like an own goal.
2018 may well be a turning point for teh Dems. But they need to stay focused and Listen to the voters. If they do perhaps there can be a compromise between the two factions. But they need to listen.
Probably because he's a complete charlatan masquerading as a caring policy maker.
he is a complete Ayn Rand ideologue.
No critical thinking whatsoever.
completely in the pockets of lobbyists.
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