When United are not doing well, and Liverpool are, I read this thread as a substitute for the RAWK Meltdown thread. It's a place where I can relax and enjoy the chaos of someone else's reality.
The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated
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Yeah it's really therapeutic reading how 24million people could be thrown off their health insurance, how rape victims and victims of domestic violence will have their premiums increased, how years of scientific research into climate change is being purged to facilitate billionaire corporations earning more money through fossil fuel production.
You forgot that we're re-escalating the War on Drugs whilst simultaneously making it a priority to keep refugees of it from Central America and Mexico from entering the US and deporting those that have. Good times!
Must have been that jacket?
Wait until things head south soon and it's back to inherited a mess.
Until people take responsibility for their actions, things will not change for the better, no matter how much we want them to. It's like drug and alcohol addicts, they need to own up and take responsibility. Until they acknowledge their own problems and take responsibility, nothing is going to change, no matter how much you and me talk about it. Trump won the election because way too many people could not give a feck, not because of Russian hacks or whatever. People need to learn what really is important need to learn what really is important to them.
As far as universal healthcare, that is absolutely what I want. I am a doctor and understand the importance of having everyone covered under a universal healthcare plan, but the American people have been so brain washed by this, I see it very difficult to elect a president who campaigns on that promise.
Well said mate, absolutely spot on.
Yeah, I agree with all of that. Much respect to yourself as well for choosing such a noble and selfless profession.
As for the American people being so brainwashed, we have spoke about that in here and other threads countless times, but the stats show that when asked, the majority of the American public do want UHC. However, as you rightly said, because of how the Republicans constantly twist things and outright lie about other countries healthcare systems, most US citizens are against it for the wrong reasons, yet paradoxically they actually want it when it is presented to them in a different way.
I would be seriously interested if all the US posters here could post how the new healthcare bill will affect them and their families personally. I agree 100% with @Raoul on this one though and think the Senate will smash this bill back quicker than it came in, however if they keep knocking on the door I fear they will eventually get in and they will get their way in the end.
I've had lots of conversations trying to persuade Americans that British system is superior. Usually ends in shock and disbelief in person and "whatever" if on Facebook etc.
I don't think this will impact my family unless something bad happens like a serious illness where my wife loses her job and we lose our care. That's the most criminal part of the system. You can do everything right, have both spouses work full time with full health care and yet you are still a diagnosis away from losing everything.
Edit: currently setting up $1,000,000 life insurance for both of us with an option to take the payment if one of us is diagnosed with a terminal illness. Fun!
I have had the same conversations many times too, it's just now I can actually speak from experience of the NHS literally saving my life. I've had a few comments from some American friends who really don't believe I haven't paid a penny, or then accuse me of going private, but most I have told just get quite bewildered by it followed by a moment of silence before changing the subject quickly
I'm glad you and your family wont be affected badly, but it really does suck that you are literally one event from losing everything. As above really, I know how quickly and completely unexpectedly something can happen and to think the system of a supposed civilised country, and one that prides itself and tries to tell the world how it is the best, can literally be so cruel to its citizens and how it can punish even the most honest and hard working of them. Good luck with the insurance, and I hope you never ever need it. $1m sounds an awful lot, but again, from experience it really isn't at all when talking in healthcare costs.
It won't effect my family much but I know some people that it will effect negatively and those people voted for trump.
Hopefully it doesn't get passed and he continues to be a dead rubber fish.
Hopefully it doesn't get passed and he continues to be a dead rubber fish.
It's as much of a death sentence for the Senators careers as it is for the citizens it will effect physically and financially.
That's the upside really isn't it?
It would be if they passed it, but I don't think they are that stupid, or should I say, that careless. I think they will send it back to the house and it will be amended and sent back again. It could be like a virtual game of political tennis where the House passes it and the Senate rejects it and they just keep knocking it back to each other for the next 4 years
I don't really see any way forward without a single payer universal healthcare system. Now that the public have access to a crude version of it, they will simply demand more until its simplified into a single payer format.
It would be if they passed it, but I don't think they are that stupid, or should I say, that careless. I think they will send it back to the house and it will be amended and sent back again. It could be like a virtual game of political tennis where the House passes it and the Senate rejects it and they just keep knocking it back to each other for the next 4 years
Advantage..deuce... and so on
We live in hope. The naysayers cry about taxation but honestly I know people that are paying $700 a month for medical insurance they never use.
Its insane.
It boggles my mind when people complain about that. They never consider that with a little extra in tax, you can eliminate paying for insurance every month AND eliminate doctor/hospital bills.
How's that a "bad" fiscal decision?
Pretty bad. But feck socialism because I'm not paying taxes for people who don't pay taxes.
Yes you are. Tenfold.
You're so edgy and cool.
I do as well. I'm related to several of them. If it passes the question "so is this what you wanted?" will be asked
I do as well. I'm related to several of them. If it passes the question "so is this what you wanted?" will be asked[/QUOTE]
I wonder what the answer will be?
"That's not what I meant" or "at least its not Obama care"
I wonder what the answer will be?
"That's not what I meant" or "at least its not Obama care"
How are they feeling?
Fine. For now.
Good for them. Part of me wants it to get passed.
Doesn't affect me. I have insurance through employers and if I lose my job, I'm out of the country anyway.
I feel the same way. But how many people would die? That's the caveat.
Apologies if this has been posted already. Good stuff!
Good speech, but its cringe worthy seeing people calling for him to run for president in 2020 because of this speech.
He probably will - and will probably win. 2020 foresight.
Obama won the presidency on the back of his DNC speech in 2004. These things are very important.
This is a powerful video.
Yes, because he nailed it. How do you argue against what he is saying?
Not at all. Unfortunately, large swaths of Americans are very, very dumb and egoistic. Poor Americans don't believe they are poor, they believe they are future millionaires someone said. And it's true.
Fortunately, a lot of them also dream to have another Kennedy as president. And you can see how JPK is trying to emulate the looks of his relative, his style to give them just that. He will try to run in 2020 for sure.
Nice
Kennedy as president.... Nah Trump will cia him before that can happen
You're making the assumption that the CIA will be on his side.
Drumpf will have to deal with Bernie and Liz. Although both would be far too old and project a bit of a generation gap for the Dems. The only Dem that would unite everyone is Gavin Newsome imo. He's ripe to be Pres.
Fair point... But he can always call on the kgb instead
He's a possibility if he gets elected governor in 2018.
A presidential run would make for some interesting TV, seeing as how he's the ex-husband of Kimberly Guilfoyle
Unless the CIA gets him first
Yeah Gavin is the real deal. Reminds me a bit of Bill Clinton circa 1992. He needs to seal the deal and get his Gov election taken care of then start the ball rolling immediately for 2020.
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