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Has that Schindler guy been posted here before? I recognise his bio and it rings a bell that he's tweeted bold claims without much backing, but I may be wrong.
 
Has that Schindler guy been posted here before? I recognise his bio and it rings a bell that he's tweeted bold claims without much backing, but I may be wrong.

A few times before. He's an old NSA guy who now writes newspaper articles for the Observer. A good account to follow...and much better than the likes of Judd Leggum and the Adam Khan guy.
 


Shall we run a sweep on the day he gets impeached?

Gonna go March 28th.


We can get a basic idea of what the entire Trump/Russia thing is all about.

Trump's campaign and the Russian government used a series of intermediaries to promote Trump's campaign (whether to promote Trump himself or just thwart Hillary).

As a routine part of monitoring foreign governments (allegedly), the US Government picked up voice communications detailing communications between both sides. The communications are extremely classified and only available to certain members of the intelligence community (IC), the FBI, etc. Various members of congress also know about it. So in order for Trump get caught, they would need a special prosecutor assigned to the case, who would then bring all the evidence to bear (mostly behind closed doors due to the intelligence involved).
 
We can get a basic idea of what the entire Trump/Russia thing is all about.

Trump's campaign and the Russian government used a series of intermediaries to promote Trump's campaign (whether to promote Trump himself or just thwart Hillary).

As a routine part of monitoring foreign governments (allegedly), the US Government picked up voice communications detailing communications between both sides. The communications are extremely classified and only available to certain members of the intelligence community (IC), the FBI, etc. Various members of congress also know about it. So in order for Trump get caught, they would need a special prosecutor assigned to the case, who would then bring all the evidence to bear (mostly behind closed doors due to the intelligence involved).

How many people do you think that is?
How and where is the evidence stored?
How have they managed to keep such desired property from being leaked?
 
In a way, Putin has already won. He's already succeeded in destabilising US' democracy. If Trump stay, good, if he gets impeached, the fallout would be incredible.
 
Shall we run a sweep on the day he gets impeached?

Gonna go March 28th.


Good idea on a sweepstake! $20 entry per day selected? Who else is in?

Any bookmakers taking bets and you have that link? I need to do some more research!
Some cracking odds here but none for a specify day impeachment! http://www.paddypower.com/bet/polit...=1&leg=stamp~|leg_type~E|selections~532518634

You really think it could be so soon ... though I guess 23 days is a long long long time in the tRump presidency!
 
How many people do you think that is?
How and where is the evidence stored?
How have they managed to keep such desired property from being leaked?

It depends on the nature of the intelligence. If it's voice related then it's likely on the NSA side. If it's from a human source, then it's likely from the CIA. I would venture to guess its the former.
 
It's all very piecemeal. As if the intelligence community is waiting for either someone to jump or someone else to push.
 
Good idea on a sweepstake! $20 entry per day selected? Who else is in?

Any bookmakers taking bets and you have that link? I need to do some more research!
Some cracking odds here but none for a specify day impeachment! http://www.paddypower.com/bet/polit...=1&leg=stamp~|leg_type~E|selections~532518634

You really think it could be so soon ... though I guess 23 days is a long long long time in the tRump presidency!

Well, I mean a vote for impeachment/impeachment proceedings beginning. And it's wildly early, but this is a wild presidency.

Surprisingly few bookies taking it on (I actually checked this out with one of my students last week :D), Ladbrokes do I think. As you might imagine, pretty poor odds on him lasting a year and extremely good odds on him out before 4 :D
 
It's all very piecemeal. As if the intelligence community is waiting for either someone to jump or someone else to push.
which makes it sounds like no-one has enough to break the story, or the story is SO HUGE no one wants to go down in history as they people who screwed up POTUS.
 
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which makes it sounds like no-one has enough to break the story, or the story is SO HUGE no one wants to go down in history as they people who screwed up POTUS.

I think the issue is that as everything that can condemn Trump will come from intelligence, there's no way of revealing everything without compromising or exposing past or present intelligence operations and maybe personnel. I imagine we're being told as little as we need to as long as the 'story' is moving in the right direction. I can't imagine it'll be too long until the Democrats + Republicans not keen on Trump get their way on a special prosecutor to look into the Russian link. We're continuously being edge that way whilst finding out tiny snippets at a time.

If the IC can achieve their aim without shedding a light on much of what they do, then I think that's how they'd play it.
 
I think the issue is that as everything that can condemn Trump will come from intelligence, there's no way of revealing everything without compromising or exposing past or present intelligence operations and maybe personnel. I imagine we're being told as little as we need to as long as the 'story' is moving in the right direction. I can't imagine it'll be too long until the Democrats + Republicans not keen on Trump get their way on a special prosecutor to look into the Russian link. We're continuously being edge that way whilst finding out tiny snippets at a time.

If the IC can achieve their aim without shedding a light on much of what they do, then I think that's how they'd play it.

Makes sense, esp as tRump has dramatically increased focus and risk on intelligence leaks.

So what you're saying is only way to get this stuff into the open without compromising sources is via a special prosecutor?

Didn't Obama already order that before he left?
 
which makes it sounds like no-one has enough to break the story, or the story is SO HUGE no one wants to go down in history as they people who screwed up POTUS.

I'd tend to agree that we're way beyond "no smoke without fire" territory. They've dealt with it all so badly, although die-hard supporters are probably lapping it up. The problem for him will be how those numbers are going to dwindle - for example, when every passing day more people realise that their health coverage is going to evaporate. It kinda feels like a death blow has already been dealt and is slowly unwinding, a bit like the end of Kill Bill :lol:

For a nerdier reference, I've been watching some Doctor Who lately and it's like the end of the Fifth Doctor...
 
the news about russian intercepts of trump collusion is why the justice department are under pressure to denounce trumps story.

That is because, when all this comes down, if he has convinced enough people that this is all obama, then there is the potential for extreme civil unrest when trump is removed as those people will be convinced it is a coup.

That is likely why trump has done it (or more specifically bannon, whose brietbart site ran the initial story). This is end game stuff.
 
How likely is an impeachment?

We're very far away. First we need a full investigation that yields evidence of collusion. If there is, then they need yet more evidence that proves Trump knew about the collusion. At that point the gloves come off and the GOP congress would have to impeach a GOP President, which by then won't be too difficult given that their own boy Pence, will be waiting in the wings to take over.
 
the news about russian intercepts of trump collusion is why the justice department are under pressure to denounce trumps story.

That is because, when all this comes down, if he has convinced enough people that this is all obama, then there is the potential for extreme civil unrest when trump is removed as those people will be convinced it is a coup.

That is likely why trump has done it (or more specifically bannon, whose brietbart site ran the initial story). This is end game stuff.
Part of me says "good go on and get it over with"
 
I'd tend to agree that we're way beyond "no smoke without fire" territory. They've dealt with it all so badly, although die-hard supporters are probably lapping it up. The problem for him will be how those numbers are going to dwindle - for example, when every passing day more people realise that their health coverage is going to evaporate. It kinda feels like a death blow has already been dealt and is slowly unwinding, a bit like the end of Kill Bill :lol:

For a nerdier reference, I've been watching some Doctor Who lately and it's like the end of the Fifth Doctor...

the news about russian intercepts of trump collusion is why the justice department are under pressure to denounce trumps story.
That is because, when all this comes down, if he has convinced enough people that this is all obama, then there is the potential for extreme civil unrest when trump is removed as those people will be convinced it is a coup.
That is likely why trump has done it (or more specifically bannon, whose brietbart site ran the initial story). This is end game stuff.

By leaking the golden shower dossier 6 weeks ago, Trump's enemies infinitely increased their ability to acquire more supporting intelligence. So many legitimate new sources must have come forward with corroborating evidence since then.

Im quite sure they are very close to full disclosure on Trumps liaison with the Russians on issues in the dossier and election tampering. Its going to be something like nothing else, and the Amazon is screwed because people are going buy so many newspapers and magazines lapping it all up.
 
We're very far away. First we need a full investigation that yields evidence of collusion. If there is, then they need yet more evidence that proves Trump knew about the collusion. At that point the gloves come off and the GOP congress would have to impeach a GOP President, which by then won't be too difficult given that their own boy Pence, will be waiting in the wings to take over.
Yeah, the GOP having to impeach its own president seems a stretch. I just wonder if there's a smoking gun of any sort. The type of intelligence which may never see the light of day but perhaps the NSA/other agency could use to force him out.

Probably a good chance I'm getting too carried away with Twitter echo chamber reports.
 
Out of interest, given his age and obesity, does anyone think Rump can still 'get it up'?

As his wife is rarely with him, and I'm assuming its way to risky to bring escorts into the WH , how does he satisfy his urges?

Maybe that explains his weekly jaunts to play golf in his ranch with all those lovely rooms service staff?
 
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In a way, Putin has already won. He's already succeeded in destabilising US' democracy. If Trump stay, good, if he gets impeached, the fallout would be incredible.

Nah. This proves that the institutions set up by the founding fathers work.
 
Out of interest, given his age and obesity, does anyone think Rump can still 'get it up'?

As his wife is rarely with him, and I'm assuming its way to risky to bring escorts into the WH , how does he satisfy his urges?

Maybe that explains his weekly jaunts to play gold in his ranch?

Get it up? I thought his kick was to lay down n get someone to pee on him? Called Golden blunder or something.
 
Look who signed up for Twitter today (a/c not verified yet but looks genuine):

 
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