A candidate who's been in the system for 30 years, the candidate of wall street and special interests is certainly not a fine candidate !
You're right, Trump is really gonna change the system!
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You're right, Trump is really gonna change the system!
Maybe yes maybe not. What is certain is that Clinton would have made things for the ordinary american even worse. Personally I don't care about what happens inside the country, I only care about US's foreign policy. And certainly with Trump, the prospects are better for peace than Hillary and her hysteric support to criminal countries like Israel or Saudi Arabia.
My double threads is worth a ban but this shit isn't. fecking hell
Maybe you should broaden your mind. She is a centrist who mocked the progressive wing of the party constantly and became a millionaire many times over by telling bankers what they want to hear. She never met a foreign autocrat whose money she wouldn't take. Her and her husband sold out the working class in the nineties and never thought twice about them until late Tuesday night. She and her cronies rigged the primary against an actual progressive candidate and generally felt she deserved the nomination because it was her turn. She stands for nothing except power and campaigned on nothing except "is that guy crazy or what?". She lost to an actual self declared socialist in Wisconsin and Michigan and still took those voters for granted.
As a candidate, she is quite possibly the worst "serious" candidate in decades losing to a black guy no one had ever heard of, an orange con man and almost losing to a septuagenarian socialist from vermont who had to join the party in order to run for its nomination. She campaigned on...what, exactly?
As a president, she is a war mongerer with no desire to fight for the marginalized in society. She has no understanding of black lives matter or environmentalism or the financial burden faced not only by students but by the working class who she and her husband sold out in the nineties. Everyone knew their was a massive enthusiasm gap and the clinton controlled DNC ignored it and the actual liberals that embody what the party is.
1/5 of the voters who voted Trump said he was unqualified. 1/3 of the voters who voted Trump said he was untrustworthy. If that isn't a protest vote, I don't know what is. It's time Clinton and her ilk step aside so that the progressive party can actually be represented by a progressive.
Maybe the DNC should have listened to the 13,000 of us who said from the beginning what a terrible candidate Hillary was. Or the 598,943 of us who voted Sanders in the primary in one of the biggest upsets of all time.
I did not want Hillary Clinton to be president and thus refused to vote for her to be president.
Honestly Eboue, who do you think is closer to Sanders. Hillary or Donald?
Who could Sanders influence more? Hillary or Donald.
Who could Sanders influence more? Hillary or Donald.
Fair enough. Would you have done the same if you knew before hand that Hillary was going to lose to Trump by one vote?
No, if it actually came to me I wouldn't have. But it didn't come down to me and it never will come down to one person.
I didn't vote for trump so I'm not sure how this is relevant.
By not voting for either your saying you don't have a preference. You have allowed a literal racist and sexist man into the White House over someone with closer ideologies than you hold.
What are you even talking about? That's not how logic works.
No, it means that he dislikes both candidates enough to not give them his support.
In a two party system that is exactly how logic works.
still no, try to argue your own points instead of creating mine for me
The left didn't have a candidate so the centrist think, well we're closer on the imaginary line so vote for us and stuff.
On foreign policy, wall street, big business, Bernie and trump have more in common.
Their remedies are different but both understand there is a problem.
On foreign policy, wall street, big business, Bernie and trump have more in common.
Their remedies are different but both understand there is a problem.
If you can't see how arguments like "there were 12,000 votes mine wouldn't have counted" are nonsensical and how your actions let Trump in I don't know what to say.
Eboue
Pakistani news channel claims Donald Trump was born in Pakistan as Dawood Ibrahim Khan
http://britishasiansuk.com/pakistan...-was-born-in-pakistan-as-dawood-ibrahim-khan/
A Pakistani news channel has ran a story stating Donald Trump was actually born in Pakistan and his real name is Dawood Ibrahim Khan.
The Neo News anchor maintained a confident tone and a straight face as she told the millions of people who watch the show that the President-elect was born as Dawood Ibrahim Khan in Waziristan in 1954 where he also received his primary education.
She also claimed that he later lost his parents in a road accident later and was taken to London by a British Indian Army Captain.
They finally claim that Trump was adopted in 1955 and taken to America.
The channel also found a photo of a child they claim to be a younger Donald Trump.
Although the channel said that it was not them that came up with the story but social media users, it has still left people in disbelief and angry at how a reputable news outlet could report such baseless stories as fact.
http://britishasiansuk.com/pakistan...-was-born-in-pakistan-as-dawood-ibrahim-khan/
A Pakistani news channel has ran a story stating Donald Trump was actually born in Pakistan and his real name is Dawood Ibrahim Khan.
The Neo News anchor maintained a confident tone and a straight face as she told the millions of people who watch the show that the President-elect was born as Dawood Ibrahim Khan in Waziristan in 1954 where he also received his primary education.
She also claimed that he later lost his parents in a road accident later and was taken to London by a British Indian Army Captain.
They finally claim that Trump was adopted in 1955 and taken to America.
The channel also found a photo of a child they claim to be a younger Donald Trump.
Although the channel said that it was not them that came up with the story but social media users, it has still left people in disbelief and angry at how a reputable news outlet could report such baseless stories as fact.
Well, i'm sold.
Let's start the movement now
Saw that couple of days back.
I disagree and I really hate people who are voting for lesser evil.
You should vote for the guy who you think is the right man/women to win the election. If you don't think anyone is the right one then you shouldn't vote.
I think biggest mistake Hillary did is that in her campaign she focused to much to prove how bad candidate Trump is instead focusing on proving she is the right candidate. She thought that she will win if she convince more then half voters that Trump is not a good candidate. But she forgot that she need to convince those people that she is the right one.
One thing is clear to me, no one should became a president because he is competing against a bad candidate and not because he/she is a good candidate, even less to become a president of USA.
Understood the word social media and stopped watching.
Well, personally I think that logic is absurd.
err..
The candidate of wall street lost and GS went up 12% in a week. Go figureA candidate who's been in the system for 30 years, the candidate of wall street and special interests is certainly not a fine candidate !
The video says 1946 tbf...
Dawood Ibrahim though. Great choice of name
. Don't know how real Dawood will take it.Having been against Trump all along, I actually hope he stays alive for at least 4 years. Pence worries me even more.
That is exactly how it works.
Absolutely, couldn't have put it better myself. Clearly neither of the two candidates in this case ever fulfilled this criterion.
That's the correct approach while voting. Your vote is essentially a statement of agreement with the person you are voting for, not just a number or a stat. Anyone who voted for Clinton didn't vote for 'anyone but Trump' but basically agreed that Clinton is fit to be lead the United States of America for the next four years. Clearly, if you don't agree with that, you won't vote for that option, period.
There's a reason a democracy allows you the option of not voting. A democracy is not an either/or scenario.
Its not a direct analogy.. but wasnt there a thread about the Trolley problem on the caf recently.
I clearly would have a preference in that case.. but I don't think I couldnt bring myself to pull the lever.
If you think one candidate out of the two viable candidates will be better than the other, you obviously should vote.
Why, do you really thing voting against someone is what is right?
I hate campaigns where there is all about convincing people to vote against you opponent instead to convince people to vote for you.
Edit: i always voted in every elections in my country since I was 18 but if there were 2 candidates like that in my country I would thought twice if I should vote.
The sad thing is, and everyone is forgetting to talk about it, that USA couldn't get better candidates then those two.
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If you think abstaining because Hillary wasn't perfect is a principled stance, you're probably not one of the people who will actually suffer under Trump.
Well it's pretty simple. You're voting for the candidate in your very words is the "lesser evil". Therefore allowing you to vote into office the slightly better candidate.
This is a decision that will effect your and your family/friends lives for the next 4 years. It's a responsibility to vote.
...Pakistani news channel claims John Daly was born in Pakistan as Dawood Ibrahim Khan
Exactly.
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