I've read this several times now and I still don't understand it. It seems to be at once mocking the Democrats right to protest and encouraging it, but based entirely on the proviso that having less power gives them less right to do it?... which makes absolutely no sense, democratically. Its almost anti-logical in that sense. But it does have unlinkable hashtags, so... ?
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I've read this several times now and I still don't understand it. It seems to be at once mocking the Democrats right to protest and encouraging it, but based entirely on the proviso that having less power gives them less right to do it?... which makes absolutely no sense, democratically. Its almost anti-logical in that sense. But it does have unlinkable hashtags, so... ?
That post of his doesn't even deserve a response.
Yes calling a racist a racist is fine. But he called Trump/Brexit voters racist/homophobic. Not the same thing and something i find offensive
Not really.
Its two in the morning, I should be asleep, and Mockney's been perfectly clear. If you read Mockney's original post that Cheesy had replied to and didn't understand his point then I don't think I can help you.
Moreover, isn't the point of this new right wing populism a rejecting of PC culture and a return to 'free speech'? So in the true spirit of things if Trump is 'just telling it like it is' by decrying almost all Mexicans as rapists and lumping in all Muslims as terrorists, then does Mockney not have equal right to criticise those who support that as racist? And if you find that offensive does that not imply that, in the spirit of all this, you're just being thin skinned? If you support Trump's right to say what he has said about what he has said then, by extension, you support the right of anyone to criticise him, even if you find it offensive, whilst, at the same time, having the same right to call those people whatever name you want. It seems like the favourite one so far is 'liberal' but, tbh, I think its a pretty poor attempt at an insult.
Did he? Like I said it seems like his criticism was aimed at a specific set of people defined by their mindset, which is what he was criticizing them for. Those people are a subset of Brexit voters in his argument but I'm not sure that should cause too much offence, with that many people voting there is bound to be a racist element. Let's be realistic as well, with a campaign where one of the major plus points is that less foreign people will be allowed into the country there is going to be a lot of racists attracted to it.
You do realise that was literally the entire point of my post? That certain people who've campaigned for Brexit and Trump have spent the last 2 years (8 if you include the GOP resistance to Obamas Presidency) "hurling abuse" at everyone from immigrants to woman to trans people to "snowflake" liberals, all the while complaining that "political correctness" was a form of censorship against them, are now suddenly turning around in the wake of victory and "Crying abuse" (your words) at anyone who opposes them! Something you have literally just done, without any provocation, because I took the piss out of a straw man dickhead, for his straw man dickhead views!
It's a genuinely astonishing act of confirmation bias. I almost want to commend you on it.
Where have I done that, exactly? Care to quote me? I poked fun at an imaginary type of Brexit/Trump voter, sure, but how does that imply I was calling all of them to a man a racist or homophobe?
More importantly though, who cares? Do you really consider Brexit voters a sacred prejudicial group that should be immune from criticism? Do you think making fun of someone's political choices akin to making fun of their race or sexuality? If you think that's truly offence, you have absolutely no fecking clue, mate.
And if you really are that sensitive about that way people talk about Brexit voters, maybe you should consider that the next time someone complains about "PC going mad" or Farage says "chink" is perfectly fine, or Trump says grabbing pussy is just "locker room talk"...cos if that offends you less than a made up comical dig at a hypothetical Brexit voter, then youre too deeply mired in the quicksand of hypocrisy to save...
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You are just putting words together that make no sense.
Confirmation bias of what!
Can you try a reply without an insult?
Ill just stick to chortling at your odd decent post in the general because debating in this forum is pretty pointless obviously.
The reason this place is an echo chamber is not down to everyone agreeing with you i can assure you of that.
Short version: Do you think the likes of Trump, Farage and Brexiters in general get unfairly lambasted by liberals for "saying what they think" just because it offends certain people?
If your answer is yes... think about how 'offended' you were by absolutely nothing, and put two and two together...
If your answer is no... I've no idea what your argument is.
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Just walked into a anti Trump protest March in downtown SF!
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Popovich sums it up perfectly. Love that he interrupted the reporter midway through his rant.
http://au.complex.com/sports/2016/11/gregg-popovich-goes-off-donald-trump-election-win
http://au.complex.com/sports/2016/11/gregg-popovich-goes-off-donald-trump-election-win
That is good. And surprisingly a much better liberal rant than the undisputed king of liberal ranting managed.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/aaron-sorkin-donald-trump-president-letter-daughter
Not that Sorkin's effort is particularly bad, but it's a lot less stirring and quotable than something you might imagine one of his characters saying during his late 90s peak cracked out zeitgeist.
I blame the lack of crack.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/aaron-sorkin-donald-trump-president-letter-daughter
Not that Sorkin's effort is particularly bad, but it's a lot less stirring and quotable than something you might imagine one of his characters saying during his late 90s peak cracked out zeitgeist.
I blame the lack of crack.
Stunningly brilliant post. Haven't been around long but I absolutely love how you call it how you see it without any apologies. You sir have my total respect.
Trump will not get this ban passed by Congress. Even though the republicans have the majority, there are still some decent people in his party who will not vote for it. Now as far as attacks against Muslims, it's going to get worse. It's been happening and is gettiing worse because people who do this think they have a license to go out and assault Muslims whenever they want.
It was mostly the crack, tbf.
I still don't get why DNC threw bernie (who definitely had better chance against trump and would've actually made me vote) under the bus and instead favored a clearly unpopular and corrupt candidate who was on the record saying you need a "public and private position" for just about everything. good. fecking. lord.
that aside, how the feck can you feck up your campaign so badly against that "grab them by the pussy" demagogue with no political experience, who thinks global warming is a conspiracy theory conjured up by the chinese? it might be sad to think that 30+ years of political experience has come down to nothing against an outsider "joke" candidate, but that's what you get for underestimating your opponent and not doing your homework; ultimately I have 0 sympathy for hillary.
that aside, how the feck can you feck up your campaign so badly against that "grab them by the pussy" demagogue with no political experience, who thinks global warming is a conspiracy theory conjured up by the chinese? it might be sad to think that 30+ years of political experience has come down to nothing against an outsider "joke" candidate, but that's what you get for underestimating your opponent and not doing your homework; ultimately I have 0 sympathy for hillary.
I have no idea why you didn't vote. Unacceptable.
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I have 0 sympathy for you given you didn't vote when your actually the loser here with having Donald fecking Trump as the leader of your nation. He's the sort of guy that makes so thankful for the guy we have, and I'm sure many people from other countries feel the same way.
I wouldn't have felt the same way about Hilary. She's a perfectly acceptable leader IMO. It's just that for some reason her failings (and everyone has them) get overblown to ridiculous proportions. For example, the public and private positions are actually necessary a lot of the time. Leaders in any field have to take tough decisions that wouldn't all be populist in nature. Putting up a "front" is important in any public office. How far that goes obviously can turn something normal into somethong extremely dodgy and corrupt, but people just assume the worst it seems.
To me, all of this says less about Hilary and more about the judgment of the American people who saw something abysmal/unacceptable and something okay, and went for the former. Quality decision making. You've just gotten wrapped up in "BAD. CROOKED. NATION OF LOSERS." rhetoric.
@Mockney @NinjaFletch brilliant few posts, I won't quote as they're quite long
Normally i would say that's fair and he should be given a chance to prove himself, actions speak louder than words etc.
The problem is not just the fact he got elected, it's the context he get elected in. There is a lot of unrest, discontent and steadily increasing polarization over there, in other words the US are not doing very well at the moment. If things had been going smoothly over there, people would have laughed at the very idea that he would run for president, but he rode on a wave of anger and hatred and now it has taken him straight to the white house.
Already we have seen numerous reports of ethnic and religions minorities getting abuse flung at them. The fact that the fecking president is in no small way responsible for the actions of this mob of degenerates is just mind boggling. The president in indirectly responsible for hate crimes
ISIS was also "celebrating" his election and it's quite obvious why. The rhetoric he used against Muslims not only served to engage the bible thumping rednecks, it's also perfect for the terrorist groups, because they feed on shite like this. Even the slightest provocation from a terror organization and all hell is going to break lose.
Him being president not only concerns the US, it's going to affect the whole world as well. Just the fact that he is POTUS gives him, regardless of him deserving it or not, gravitas and a big say in the space of world politics. Hes already appointed climate denier no#1 as head of EPT(?) so that's the Paris agreement down the drain. Who knows what kind of daft schemes he is going to cobble up as international politics, but considering he is surrounding himself with blowhards like Christie, Gingrich and Giuliani i think it's safe to say there will be a lot more burning of bridges than building them
Yeah, no. If the democrats wanted votes like his and mine they should have nominated a candidate who wasn't so terrible.
I don't necessarily think it's Trump supporters only tbh.
I think it's a general thing.As people we tend to assosciate with those with views that mirror our own,with this allowing us to air own views without fear of ridicule or judgement.
You are just as unlikely to find right leaning opinions in left leaning forums just as much as you wont find the same situation reversed.
So Trump has not been voted President, American citizens did not in fact elect a president on Nov. 8; they chose electors. On Dec. 19, the 538 electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots for a candidate and ultimately decide the next resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/millions...llege-to-elect-hillary-clinton-175038196.html
I had no idea this was the case, so could Clinton still be President or are the 2.5m who signed the petition, just pissing in the wind?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/millions...llege-to-elect-hillary-clinton-175038196.html
I had no idea this was the case, so could Clinton still be President or are the 2.5m who signed the petition, just pissing in the wind?
You will se real riots if they vote against their pledge.
The left throwing their toys out of the pram is hilarious.
Trump is the president. He won 30 states.
If they want to blame anyone, it should be their weak ass party. They have been paving the way for Hillary since 2004. There was no leadership. No one to challenge her. They put all their eggs in a basket despite her being rejected by their supporters in 08.
Trump is the president. He won 30 states.
If they want to blame anyone, it should be their weak ass party. They have been paving the way for Hillary since 2004. There was no leadership. No one to challenge her. They put all their eggs in a basket despite her being rejected by their supporters in 08.
The American voting system is a strange one.
Voting for electors that then vote on their behave , to put it in simple terms, is fecking daft.
What happens if they dont accept the Trump vote, reading only very little about it, it is within the constitution.
Voting for electors that then vote on their behave , to put it in simple terms, is fecking daft.
What happens if they dont accept the Trump vote, reading only very little about it, it is within the constitution.
More likely armed insurrection or civil war.
Best news coming out from America for ages, a chance for peace in the world and so so good to see all these leftists crying.
No i agree some of their rhetoric appeals to racists and is racist. That does not mean you are justified in calling brexit voters racist in general.
I was just shining a light on the hypocrisy of abusing people while complaining about their abuse.
The issues that won over the huge turnout of woman re expectations and even the latino vote for Trump was what won it. As for brexit again a decent turnout from the Left (of Corbyn's ilk) pre the only flip flop he has done was what swung it.
The left constantly looking at the negatives who have such entrenched views they would have voted that way anyway are the reason you will be continued to dumbfounded by the loses.
I actually don't see the left as losing really, these liberal views seem to me as much basis in the right as they do in the left.
It is a completely different branch to the true socialist left which was the reason they actually sided with Brexit for example, and there was a strong anti Hillary camp within the democrats (Bernie supporters).
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In a two party system sometimes you have to vote for the lesser of two evils.
No, you don't. I live in Michigan, the closest swing state this year. The margin is 13,000 votes. My vote is purely symbolic and I'm not going to use it on someone I cannot stand do not want to lead the country.
Hillary Clinton was an absolutely fine candidate who was literally going against someone who can set America and by proxy the world back decades.
To not vote for her is just absolutely mind boggling.
A candidate who's been in the system for 30 years, the candidate of wall street and special interests is certainly not a fine candidate !
How is your vote purely symbolic though? You had no way of knowing before hand how much of an impact your vote would have had. It's quite possible 13,000 people who all thought the same as you greatly influenced the final result.
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