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Freedom - yup, the freedom to not be able to afford healthcare.
Individual responsibility - yup, why can't you afford it? and why do you have pre-existing conditions...tough luck bitch

I called this 'compassionate christian' a cnut and twitter put my account on 'restriction' for the next 12 hours :lol:


Hi, I'm a recovering addict and this is my retarded sister, can we have some freedom please?
 
He'll wind up Governor or Senator. At 35, he's simply too good. I wouldn't rule out a Prez bid in the coming decade as well.
That midwestern area is going to be tough to break through in the near future though, unless they parachute him somewhere else which he doesn't seem the type for.
 
That midwestern area is going to be tough to break through in the near future though, unless they parachute him somewhere else which he doesn't seem the type for.

With the new wave of millennial politicians sweeping in, I don't see any reason why he couldn't do it in Indiana. Ultimately, Dems are going to have to fight for grass roots support in red states and Indiana is a great place to do it.
 
He'll wind up Governor or Senator. At 35, he's simply too good. I wouldn't rule out a Prez bid in the coming decade as well.

Interesting background he has.
 
Oh, jesus effing christ, that photo. He looks like he died in the 90s and has been decomposing since, I can see why he uses industrial sized fake tan.
Still manages to look more alive than Eric does though.
 

Definitely a much-needed reality check, although the following is a little bit underhanded:

More pointedly, there appears to be little connection between the nations identified in Trump’s travel ban and the actual threat of terrorism they pose. Migrants from those countries have killed exactly zero Americans on U.S. soil (though there have been a few foiled attempts). Nor does the Department of Homeland Security website indicate that citizens of those countries pose a threat, and history supports their absence from the threat advisories.

Reading this article, there seems to be a legitimate problem with some Somalis getting involved in this kind of thing - https://www.google.ie/amp/dailysign...ys-struggle-with-terrorism/amp/?client=safari
 
The only ones who would chose not to have would be

1) The very wealthy since they would not likely be ruined by medical bills. Though they also are generally not stupid about money and might see value in having insurance or have it provided in full by one of the companies they own or sit on the board for.

2) There perhaps might be those who fall into a situation where they can not get enough help via ACA to afford Health Insurance and can not afford it (though the offset is high medical bills if some one gets ill). Though they might qualify for an exemption you mention above.

Actually there's another group, the conservative leaning young adults who are young and dumb enough to think that they're not at risk of major illness/accident, and that they can save money by just not having insurance. There's a surprisingly high number of them judging by the number I've spoken to in the past.
 


Interesting thought.


He got much love from r/sandersforpresident. Does he appeal to the Clinton/Obama people too? Because then that's the dream candidate (for something more than DNC chair).

He's also a mayor whose popularity crosses party who previously lost a state wide race, which has interesting echoes :)
 
He got much love from r/sandersforpresident. Does he appeal to the Clinton/Obama people too? Because then that's the dream candidate (for something more than DNC chair).

He's also a mayor whose popularity crosses party who previously lost a state wide race, which has interesting echoes :)
Still don't really know much about him bar the formalities, always thought there was a pretty wide path forward to connect Sanders and Clinton wings in the near future though, wouldn't surprise me if there are some young progressive midwesterners ready to make the move (also why I also think it makes more sense for Ellison to get the chair job).
 
I am not sure, that Trump wants to get rid of the ACA. The republicans certainly want to and any republican primary candidate has to repeat this promise a couple of times or they’d get slaughtered. Opposition by the GOP against the ACA was primarily motivated by strategical motivations. They thought that this is the best way to obstruct and oppose Obama’s administration. Now they backed themselves into a corner, because they have to follow their own nonsense.

Here is an extremely long read (8 articles in total) from someone who hates the ACA. I don’t share is opinion or conclusion, but most of his points are still worth considering.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/michael...stupidity-of-the-american-voter/#181929d32e6a
Thanks, I'll go through that later.

Back to your point though, considering the haphazard way the new administration has gone about things, surely cooling off on the ACA-front wouldn't be too jarring? Especially if you think they only opposed it to obstruct Obama's administration?
 
Definitely a much-needed reality check, although the following is a little bit underhanded:
Reading this article, there seems to be a legitimate problem with some Somalis getting involved in this kind of thing - https://www.google.ie/amp/dailysign...ys-struggle-with-terrorism/amp/?client=safari


That is fair. I think there is a much bigger point to make.

Since 9/11 “Islamic terrorism” is probably the single most discussed political topic in the west. I am not suggesting that it is a non-issue and the death-toll alone is certainly not a good measurement of its importance, but it shouldn’t be in the top20. Probably not even in the top50. It also shouldn’t be seen as an existential threat to our security, but primarily as a challenge to foreign policy. On this topic, media, politicians and society as a whole just failed. It is quite mind-boggling how much time, money and attention are wasted to address a rather trivial problem. I don’t even blame the voters, who internalize this nonsense; they just assume that the problem is proportional to its coverage. It is not.

I am not in the camp that thinks that Trump is some kind of genius, who just doing all these things to appeal to the people. I think he is a very troubled and deluded man, who believes most of what he says (or starts to believe these things afterwards). But I can’t even fully blame him to think that hordes of Muslims are out there, trying to destroy Europe and the USA. Our own intelligence services foster and spread this view. “Foreign policy analysts” and “journalists” amplify it and politicians echo it over and over and over again.

If you’d give other problems (e.g. gang violence, organized crime, domestic abuse, death of traffic accidents, diseases) similar coverage, you’d think that Armageddon is coming any day now. Most people would probably end up being scared of themselves, if we’d have similar coverage about suicide rates. The sad part is that there is really no going back in the near future. These forms of collective delusion are often self-sustaining. It would be an interesting research topic to find out how these ideas emerge.
 
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Even if he doesn't get the gig Buttigieg has put his name in the ring for future candidacies. Should serve him well in 2018.
 
Thanks, I'll go through that later.

Back to your point though, considering the haphazard way the new administration has gone about things, surely cooling off on the ACA-front wouldn't be too jarring? Especially if you think they only opposed it to obstruct Obama's administration?


After all this years of GOP propaganda, the party (and Trump) can’t just walk away. At the same time, just repealing it would be quite unpopular. The “beauty” of the ACA is, that the benefits are visible, while the costs are hidden. So repealing it would create a lot of unfavorable coverage. I doubt that Trump fancies that; he is not an ideologue on this issue and not against “big government”.

My best guess is that the GOP and Trump are going to implement a sort of “ACA-light” law. A law that that tries to keep the benefits in place, while re-shuffling the costs.
 
more dehumanization of the poor - yes, of course everyone on welfare is on drugs and is a junkie.

Note, nothing will be said about how to help those addicts.

 
more dehumanization of the poor - yes, of course everyone on welfare is on drugs and is a junkie.

Note, nothing will be said about how to help those addicts.



That's fair but only if politicians and political influencers are also drug tested.
 
more dehumanization of the poor - yes, of course everyone on welfare is on drugs and is a junkie.

Note, nothing will be said about how to help those addicts.



Do prescribed opioids count? 'Cause that might exclude 50% of recipients.
 
more dehumanization of the poor - yes, of course everyone on welfare is on drugs and is a junkie.

Note, nothing will be said about how to help those addicts.



Of course you never hear about mental health care for welfare recipients and the homeless which might be more appropriate in a lot of cases. That's only appropriate when they want to draw attention away from their precious tool-related deaths (guns).
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/23/north-carolina-islamophobia-muslims-threats

Highlights:
Jones’s presentation was repeatedly interrupted by comments about killing Muslims from Frank del Valle, a staunchly anticommunist Cuban immigrant, with little or no pushback from the others in the room.

“Can we not kill them all?” Del Valle asked, about 15 minutes into the presentation, during a discussion about the differences between the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam.
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For many of the hard-right activists in Kernersville, who shared preoccupations about a “big government” replacement for Obamacare, impending financial collapse and the prospect of undocumented immigrants benefiting from a recent local school bond during a round of personal introductions, Jones’s dark vision of Islam was hardly a stretch

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Beverly Lung, a feisty Republican party regular who helped the Trump campaign as a voter registrar, made the leap from a supposed Islamic takeover of the United States to the Latino advocacy organization the National Council of La Raza.

“What you’re basically telling us is it’s like La Raza,” Lung said. “You are going to take neighborhood by neighborhood, community by community. You are going to get your people in elected positions, and you will take over town by town by town. And you are going to take back what was supposedly taken from you, like the south-western states. But they’re taking over our whole country.”
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“There’s a huge pushback coming,” Goodwill said. “Political correctness is being thrown away. A lot of people are meeting like this. We’re making progress in the positive direction.”
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Throughout the presentation, guests excitedly discussed two area mosques, along with the chairman of the local Democratic party, who is the brother of the US congressman Keith Ellison – the first Muslim member of Congress and a leading candidate for chair of the Democratic National Committee.
 
That's a very valid point, to be fair. Probably not too far off the mark either.

I over generalized, but there's data to back it up: https://www.bostonfed.org/-/media/Documents/economic/conf/great-recovery-2016/Alan-B-Krueger.pdf

Nearly half of prime age not-in-labor-force men take pain medication on a daily basis, and in nearly two-thirds of cases they take prescription pain medication.

What's up with all the pain anyways? Is this what I should expect when I get old?
 

It's ok, I understood what you were getting at. It's a problem in the UK too. But I've seen and read a fair few articles about it, and also, when Fox News goes off for a break, here in the UK the time is filled with various different segments, either recordings of live music from outside Fox HQ or health segments and the like. A couple of those segments are part of an investigation Fox did about prescription drug addiction in the UK, and it's a bloody good and very informative watch. Thanks for the link though, I will give it a read now.
 
Boehner: Republicans won't repeal and replace Obamacare
He says talk in November about lightning-fast passage of a new health care framework was wildly optimistic.

By DARIUS TAHIR


02/23/17 11:04 AM EST


Updated 02/23/17 11:46 AM EST

Former House Speaker John Boehner predicted on Thursday that a full repeal and replace of Obamacare is “not going to happen.”

Boehner, who resigned in 2015 amid unrest among conservatives, said at an Orlando health care conference that the idea that a repeal-and-replace plan would blitz through Congress is just “happy talk.”


Instead, he said changes to former President Barack Obama’s signature legislative achievement would likely be relatively modest.

“[Congressional Republicans are] going to fix Obamacare – I shouldn’t call it repeal-and-replace, because it’s not going to happen,” he said.

Boehner’s comments come as Republican lawmakers across the country are facing angry constituents at town halls worried that Obamacare will be yanked away without a suitable replacement.

President Donald Trump has said in recent days that he will release a plan by early to mid-March on how the administration plans to move forward on a repeal-and-replace plan.

On Thursday, Boehner said the talk in November about lightning-fast passage of a new health care framework was wildly optimistic.

“I started laughing,” he said. “Republicans never ever agree on health care.”

“Most of the framework of the Affordable Care Act … that’s going to be there,” Boehner concluded.


oh ok...
 
Boehner: Republicans won't repeal and replace Obamacare
He says talk in November about lightning-fast passage of a new health care framework was wildly optimistic.

By DARIUS TAHIR


02/23/17 11:04 AM EST


Updated 02/23/17 11:46 AM EST

Former House Speaker John Boehner predicted on Thursday that a full repeal and replace of Obamacare is “not going to happen.”

Boehner, who resigned in 2015 amid unrest among conservatives, said at an Orlando health care conference that the idea that a repeal-and-replace plan would blitz through Congress is just “happy talk.”


Instead, he said changes to former President Barack Obama’s signature legislative achievement would likely be relatively modest.

“[Congressional Republicans are] going to fix Obamacare – I shouldn’t call it repeal-and-replace, because it’s not going to happen,” he said.

Boehner’s comments come as Republican lawmakers across the country are facing angry constituents at town halls worried that Obamacare will be yanked away without a suitable replacement.

President Donald Trump has said in recent days that he will release a plan by early to mid-March on how the administration plans to move forward on a repeal-and-replace plan.

On Thursday, Boehner said the talk in November about lightning-fast passage of a new health care framework was wildly optimistic.

“I started laughing,” he said. “Republicans never ever agree on health care.”

“Most of the framework of the Affordable Care Act … that’s going to be there,” Boehner concluded.


oh ok...

He, McConell, Ryan, Cruz - I think I hate them all much more than Cruz*.

Edit: Trump
 
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