and thats what will get him re-elected.
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and thats what will get him re-elected.
If you believe that, so be it. Should I be asked for my interpretation of the slogan, I'll simply give it. All slogans are open to interpretation and will invite a wide range of opinions. For every person who views it in a negative light, there can just easily be an American who takes inspiration from it. Having done that and given people a sense of purpose, it works pretty well as a slogan.
It's a sad state of affair when marketing take full control of politics and when what a politicians say isn't important because it's meant to be interpreted by each individuals as they wish. Obviously, it's not a criticism of Trump because he merely stole that technique from his predecessors.
I wouldn't quite go that far. The slogan doesn't necessarily exonerate him of all blame for possible transgressions of his. I'm talking about it working as an inspiration to Americans e.g. feeling good about the future of the country and looking forward to great prosperity. If some people want to put a more negative slant on that, good for them.
Over here in Europe, the headlines regarding Trump this morning have been focusing on his plans to expand the nuclear arsenal. Which isn't really something new I guess, because I remember both Vladimir & Trump making comments about this back in Januari.
Maybe I'm making a silly point there, but did "Yes We Can" have any tangible parallels with slogans from fascist regimes? Maybe it did, I honestly don't know.
The thing is you are not stupid and you are able to look at the entire campaign. Make America great again is the other side of "I will expel muslims, mexicans and China is evil". Obviously people will try to say that things are separated but they are not because the campaign is meant as a package.
That all remains to be seen really. I can't predict the future, maybe it will effect things, maybe not, I don't know. I do know Trump is in a pretty unique position with the state of the EU at the moment and with the UK leaving. Of course, traditionally the UK has always cosied up to the US and unfortunately it looks like we will be doing the same again. If the UK had voted to stay in the EU then they could easily have been able to ignore Trump, or be in a much stronger position to bargain with him. On this one, we will simply have to wait and see.
I think you are missing the point a little here. Firstly in my opinion the biggest threat is from radicalised US citizens. Secondly, however, my point was that the more Trump upsets, disrespects, singles out and offends the Muslim world the more chance there is of more attacks being carried out on US soil or US targets. As I said, he's also pinning a rather large target on himself and for someone with hotels and businesses all over the world, you would have thought he would be more careful. But my real point regarding that side of it is that is absolutely why he shouldn't have been allowed to become President until he removed himself from all of those conflicts of interest. Forget the financial implications for one minute and focus on the real and present threat and danger to human life for people working and staying in his properties. It's utterly selfish and thoughtless of him (but I expect nothing less)
As for the travel ban, the travel ban was perceived as a Muslim ban by many, arguing over if it was or was not is semantics, the real point is it was perceived that way, and angering 2 billion people around the world and making them feel attacked, unwelcome or uneasy is not a smart thing to do, especially when the world is in the middle of a war against terrorism.
I think like most mines we have exhausted our avenue of discussion over the coal mining industry and even you slipped off topic there so I think we should leave that now.
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I'm so fed up with this egotistical cnut. Someone really needs to teach him modesty and humility.
Well stop Tweeting about it and offer some help then, after all, that's your job now isn't it?
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I'm so fed up with this egotistical cnut. Someone really needs to teach him modesty and humility.
Well stop Tweeting about it and offer some help then, after all, that's your job now isn't it?
Didn't he meet up with Kanye and take pictures?! How can they still need more help?
No tweet about the poor Indian who got shot and killed why a white racist who thought he was shooting a middle easterner? No, guess not...
Non Americans who support Trump...we know why you do it...paragraph after paragraph of bullshit, isn't going to change the truth.
Non Americans who support Trump...we know why you do it...paragraph after paragraph of bullshit, isn't going to change the truth.
Didn't he meet up with Kanye and take pictures?! How can they still need more help?
Exactly, everything in the world should have been sorted there and then.
On another note, I'm also getting increasingly sick of the narcissistic prick talking about himself in the third person. It's infuriating.
Redsky would like to point out that he agrees with langsters point.
Langster has considered Redsky's point and decided he agrees with it too.
While one hand is distracting you the other is stealing your lunch money. This account may be fake, but it's definitely one of the better ones.
I don't know. Let's take a random one that people haven't heard of and see what we think - "One, Great and Free!" Honestly, to me, it works in so many ways. Not sure what anybody else thinks. This was a Francoist slogan from Spain. Many are simply whatever you want to see in them.
Not to all Americans who read it. Maybe there is an element of Trump's supporter base that sees vicious undertones. As above, they'll always be looking to seize the initiative wherever they can, going as far as to hijack a concept that wasn't intended for them and isn't theirs to monopolise.
It's more a case of disagreeing with it than missing it. History tells us that the biggest threat is from abroad because those threats did culminate in the worst ever terrorist attack in America. We can discuss theories as to why the coming years will buck the trend, but theories are all they are. To reiterate my point, the possibility that a group like Al-Qaeda could pull off something audacious like they did was severely underestimated. Likewise, even after recognising the threat of ISIS, people look to be getting complacent in a time when all they're looking for is one window of opportunity to make 9/11 the first major attack of at least two. On the second point, comparing them from between 2001 to 2009, international terrorist attacks (380) outnumbered domestic terrorist attacks (91) quite significantly. The threat there exists and won't be anything new under Trump. Whether or not they're against his locations will remain as another theory until we see evidence of it.
If Muslim people feel sensitive about the ban, maybe they should look within and start asking questions of why the supposed minority's interpretation of Islam has become the defining image of it in the minds of non-Muslim people. That religion has some serious issues to work out.
I think the Clinton point is very pertinent. Obama gave the floor to Trump and more people should be asking questions of how he fumbled it so badly. You can't praise him for his environmentally friendly policies while ignoring that he left them vulnerable to a potential Republican predecessor, one who would have the full support of a scorned industry looking for a voice to vent their anger through. She stood no chance in those parts of America during the election.
Why is he having such a hard-on about Chicago? I am sure there are some other cities that have more or less similar crime rates like it or even higher?
Is it because Obama came from there?
Is it because Obama came from there?
But that's the problem.
Chicago historically has been violent and has had a bad reputation. There are cities with higher crime rates, but Chicago has a significant black population...and Chicago is democratic (they say Mayors are non partisan...but, they're not)
So, you get to score points on multiple fronts
For you.
No arguments about that here. That was her biggest failing by far, and it cost her, dearly.
I still don't see how offending the Muslim faith and promoting hate crimes against them, which is exactly what the travel ban did, is going to help the situation. The travel ban if implemented would do feck all to keep America or Americans safe, in my opinion it would do exactly the opposite.
Wow, that's quite a statement and I think I will leave it to one of our Muslim friends to answer it themselves. I will quickly say though, that at that same time the Religious Right also need to do exactly the same self examination and also have some serious issues to work out.
What is that supposed to mean? People ignoring the content of a campaign and concentrating on a slogan isn't a problem?
I don't get this. Why would we take a random one, vs the two slogans from the previous and incumbent presidents of the US that this thread is about, one of which has clear parallels to the past?
@langster it's not 'quite a statement'. It's pretty standard fare for non-american Trump supporters. As you'll see I fired a little broadside without mentioning names, but 'we - american muslims' know what it is about Trump that pleases them the most.
It almost makes them squeal with glee...a kind of 'I told you so'...'you deserve what's coming to you'.
It almost makes them squeal with glee...a kind of 'I told you so'...'you deserve what's coming to you'.
Read his answers to my posts and you will understand.
TRUMP AIDE: "There's a really bad situation in Chicago, Your Majesty."
TRUMP: "Ok! Time for strong and decisive action! *goes on Twitter*
TRUMP AIDE: *sighs* "Please kill me..."
TRUMP: "Ok! Time for strong and decisive action! *goes on Twitter*
TRUMP AIDE: *sighs* "Please kill me..."
Like Señor Trump said prior to the election, it would allow America time to stop movement from those countries to figure out what's happening. It might seem like an absurd statement to many now. Not so much when victims were mourning following another attack and the chaos was unfolding without Trump's involvement.
It means you think it's a problem that not all Americans choose to see the negativity in the message. Your perception of the content isn't theirs and you can't push that onto them.
Clear parallels? Once again, we're dealing with interpretations. Clear to you, not so to others. It can mean so many things depending on the individual, hence my use of the Francoist slogan. What can be a seemingly harmless message can involve so much more, it's true. What's happening here is we're throwing in our very subjective views and talking emphatically before anything's really been done.
@Fener1907 , could I just check what you meant by those terrorist attack numbers in your posts? Was that 380 in the entire world vs 91 in the states?
http://www.snopes.com/make-germany-great-again/
It was both a prominent Nazi theme and used by Hitler in speeches in a number of occasions. That's what I'm talking about.
Sorry, I'm distracted by work here, can I confirm that you're saying 380 in the world vs 91 in the States? If you're comparing international vs domestic, shouldn't we divide 380 by the number of nations there are in the world?
Nope, that's not what I'm telling you. You are the only one making a value judgement, I am merely telling you that it's problematic to take a slogan out of its context. In our case "Make America great again" is a slogan that epitomize a nationalistically oriented campaign, Trump has been opened and clear about it and anyone pretending otherwise is a liar or something else.
Once again, I'm not judging the content of the campaign but how people received the marketing tools.
Seems to support what I'm saying.
Sorry, I'm distracted by work here, can I confirm that you're saying 380 in the world vs 91 in the States? If you're comparing international vs domestic, shouldn't we divide 380 by the number of nations there are in the world?
380 attacks against the United States, so no.
That's really quite sad and has left me feeling quite upset and hollow. I saw your little broadside and noticed it went unanswered, unsurprisingly.
How? What would it help explain or solve? It wouldn't solve anything at all, the intelligence agencies know exactly what is going on, they know exactly where ISIS are in Syria, Iraq and the Middle East, what they don't know is where the individuals are in homes around the Western World.The travel ban is just a bullshit excuse when everyone knows what he really wants is a blanket ban of all Muslims, except from the ones with money. Rudy G said so before, during and after the election. It's just using a silly name like "travel ban" to cover what he really wants.
Slogans like put America first or let’s make America great again are undoubtedly nationalistic slogans meant to stir up nationalistic emotions of the electorate. It’s nothing new, it happened very often the past 250 years and always with disastrous consequences. As Trump would say, nationalism and chauvinism are very very bad people.
I'm just about to hit my mid 30's. I have done a ton of travelling and mixed with Lord knows a zillion types of people. Being of the faith that I am - my senses are sadly well tuned to hate. Be it muslim bigots doing the hating or vice versa.
On another note, here's some facts about Sweden:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39056786
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39056786
If you're so intent on depicting its context as that, why is it up for debate? You've made your mind up, it's not in line with millions of Americans who don't see that message in there, and you can't change their minds on that.
The travel ban is just a bullshit excuse when everyone knows what he really wants is a blanket ban of all Muslims, except from the ones with money. Rudy G said so before, during and after the election. It's just using a silly name like "travel ban" to cover what he really wants.
If you edit my post to take out an important statement that provides context to what he said, what can I do. Again, if Americans are momentarily hysterical following an attack, presidents and candidates are compelled to speak. It's all well and good laughing about it now, except people didn't feel that way then. I've gone over its uses and explained my opinion quite comprehensively. You can go back and read that and we can pick up that again, otherwise it's just letting old exchanges creep back in to recycle everything.
Yep, slogans have been used by both some bad and some good people. Looks like a very strong push to put Trump in the former category. It remains to be seen if he'll go down as a bad hombre.
No, it doesn't. Read the very first line,the part that says "what's true". It's exactly what I said. Others may have used it, but Trump has racists and supremacists in his backroom team.
Sorry that I don't get your point, do you mean 380 against US targets worldwide? I don't have time to read that document I'm afraid at the moment.
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