The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated
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Would you be able able to specify exactly what has got worse and since when it has got worse?
B...b.bbb..bb but Obama was always on holiday or playing golf. Shit. Just 6 hours for intelligence briefings? If that is even remotely accurate that should scare the shit out of anyone living in the USA. Mind you, it fits with the information we have been told all this time, that you can't tell him something he already knows or has learnt from Fox News. If it wasn't so scary it would be hilarious.
Alex Jones claims to be directly advising Trump. Now, usually this would be dismissed out of hand... but with Trump.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/...ald-trump.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
He appeared on his show, praised him and said he would chat frequently. Terrifying.
Christ Almighty @langster ... According to that he's spent twice as much time tweeting as on national security.
According to his Wiki Milo is a practicing Catholic?
Yep.....he defending his Catholicism on Maher's show.
Surely critics of Trump should be happy he's taking so much time off?
Yup, and 4 times as much time playing golf. But it's ok, give him a chance. He's treating it all as a joke and he can't give up the lifestyle he has had for nearly 70 years. I can't for one minute think why anyone would ever have thought he would have either.
Erm...so are the alt-right not incredibly obnoxious, patronising and annoying for sitting and enjoying watching the left get riled up by someone that is...obnoxious, patronising and annoying? Because that is Milo all over.
I don't get how people can perceive the left as obnoxious and annoying for being fundamentally tolerant in so many ways. For me, the alt-right are obnoxious.
Like that Frankie Boyle line:
"I’m equally baffled that so much Democratic criticism focuses on his incompetence and instability. Competent, focused Nazis are absolutely the worst kind."
You get the feeling sometimes that most of this alt-right stuff is driven by the desire to WUM, not by any particular ideological convictions. There was an article recently that I can't find now which argued that Bannon and Co. are basically operating like internet trolls, and nothing much else.
Trump apparently supports Keith Ellison because he correctly predicted in 2015 that Trump would win.
Yeah but who is pulling the strings while he is taking swings?
Yeah, it's like when someone earlier in the thread pointed out that those people going nuts over all the crazy shit Trump might do are also those claiming that "it doesn't get any more establishment than Trump."
Typical, instead of address the problem or criticism at hand, turn it back around. That's such an unhelpful and childish approach to situations that is prevalent in almost every single answer to any post or criticism of Trump. No wonder the two sides can rarely agree let alone even converse anymore.
How does this make sense?
President of the most powerful country in the world, treating the job like a 9-5 monday-friday.
Many people are intolerant of tolerance and find it obnoxious. These same people like to call tolerant people intolerant when those people find their intolerance to be obnoxious.
I too find their logic baffling.
Morning Joe nailed it this morning in my opinion. The country's economy is built on illegal immigrants.
I wonder if Spicer misspoke when he said the FIRST to be booted will be those who have committed crimes. You can argue all illegal immigrants have. Even without that, which group are SECOND to be booted?
I wonder if Spicer misspoke when he said the FIRST to be booted will be those who have committed crimes. You can argue all illegal immigrants have. Even without that, which group are SECOND to be booted?
He can be crazy and part of the establishment, you know.
On healthcare. These townhalls are killing the GOP. Good to see. Feckers deserve it.
Well speaking as someone who thinks Trump is incompetent, perhaps dangerously so if certain circumstances were to arise, I find it somewhat reassuring to imagine that while he's off playing golf or battering his Android, Pence and Co. - the Republican establishment, as boring and bad as they can be - are slowly getting to grips with things and steadying the ship.
THEY'RE ALL PAID AGITATORS - GEORGE SOROS IS FUNDING THEM
CAN YOU TELL HOW UPSET THIS MAKES ME?
Those who might commit one
(Minority Report anyone?)
Political opponents, obviously.
That's fair enough and probably very true when you look at it that way. It's just that's not what he was elected for and i'm sure it angers many people. Hopefully his own supporters.
I'm not sure if Pence is worse or better, plus he still has Bannon in a high ranking position right?
I think that is more or less true.
Richard Spencer, who is a white supremacist, has about 50k twitter follower and is hardly able to fill stadiums. No idea how many Milo had, but probably more than a million. How come, that Richard Spencer is pretty much irrelevant, while a career wind-up like Milo isn't?
Thats where the whole debate about labels becomes important. When you call people racist for making political incorrect jokes or for wearing the wrong Halloween costume, they'll just stop caring about this charge. They have little incentives to distance themselves from racists like Spencer, because even if they specifically say that they reject his ideology, you won't believe them anyway.
For me both sides are obnoxious.
I don't think that the alt-right is a homogeneous block. There are white supremecists like Spencer or ideologues like Bannon, but they are a tiny minority, because very few people actually subscribe to the idea of these people. I think people "on the internet" are mostly a-political in the traditional sense; at least they are not aligned with any organised party. They seem to get riled up by stuff like gamer gate, charges of sexism or people who call them racists for having crude humour. Additionally, many people from 4chan or reddit enjoy trolling. Who would have thought? In my opinion Bannon takes advantage of the situation.
An extremely innovative concept is to just listen to some of these people and take their statements at face-value without trying to interpret every single word in the least charitable way. I thought part of progressivism is, not to demonize people you disagree with but to actually put some effort into understanding them.
Well according to some in this thread who know better than me, it looks as if Flynn's departure is the beginning of the Republican establishment asserting itself over the Trump presidency, and you would think ultimately one of the victims of that would be Bannon.
Finally, some good news!
There's no inherent contradiction there. W literally has a dad President and look at the damage he wrought. The fact that Dorito Mussolini is one of the crony capitalists crowd doesn't mean he can't do crazy shit that wreck people's lives, since what sane people consider crazy such as trade wars, environmental destruction, roll back on labour/LGBT/reproductive rights are normal for him and the ruling GOP.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence. And (among other things) this is my biggest gripe with Alt-Right.
Having a right to say politically incorrect things doesn't absolve you of the things you say or what consequences follow, especially if what you're saying is repeatedly demeaning another oppressed group.
Making fun of them for your own amusement also doesn't free you from any criticism. Just because you preface it as a joke, doesn't make it any less insulting, plus the only people you're making laugh are those who aren't affected by the joke in the first place. The irony is that they then get triggered when they're called racist, sexist, homophobic etc.
Take ownership in what you're saying. Words mean things.
The argument that the democrats/liberals/leftists need to be the one who need to listen is laughable at best, that needs to be applied to everyone regardless of political affiliation. Also dismissing the many 'isms of the alt-right to a 'minority' of the supporters, only demeans the concerns of those who are victims of whatever 'ism is applied in that context. As far as I'm concerned, if you are supporting an ideology that pushes such agendas, but you are only concerned with say their stance on bringing coal mining jobs back, then you are just as bad, because you're being wilfully ignorant.
Just because you are part of the alt-right (not you specifically) and you feel as though your voice isn't heard doesn't make it okay to act out and start trolling for attention, and for people to listen to you or your concerns. Nobody in the alt-right has the right to be heard any more than anyone else.
must we keep calling the racist bigots - 'alt right'...everyone else gets called what they are....why do we have to give these cnuts a name that seeks to 'normalize' them?
It is not my concern if they care about a specific charge. The question is if that charge correctly describes what they do and the consequences it has.
These 'trolls' making 'politically incorrect jokes' about minorities belong to an overall racist climate inside a society just as sexist jokes are connected to violence against women and homosexuals. These minorities face real discrimination and real threats, which is exactly what these guys play on with their jokes. 'It was just a joke' is the prime excuse for intentional aggressive behaviour against someone. Every racist knows this as well as any schoolyard bully.
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Alt-reich is more fitting. Calling them Nazis also riles them up quite spectacularly also.
Cnut is a lovely word to describe the lot of them (albeit politically incorrect for women
)Do these little snowflakes want us to use the politically correct terms for racist?
Luis Suarez?
Hence my post 2 weeks ago asking if I should clean up or hide all my social media criticising 45 before I go in 2 weeks time!
I wonder if the reason he was refused because he criticised tRump on social media..
Will be interesting to find out the reason.
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