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Mozza said:
Once they have an EU passport they won't have to stay
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yes, but they would need to register as refugees in Greece, which means, that they can't do the same in Sweden, Germany or France.

JPRouve said:
We really are totally off topic but the EU doesn't have borders per se, each country is sovereign and has full control of its own borders, particularly external borders. So unless you are suggesting that the EU should take control of Greek borders, they will be the only one controlling them.
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I am suggesting that the Schengen-countries should coordinate their external-border security to some extent. The EU should offer countries with an external border logistic and financial help to secure their borders, but obviously they are also free to do that on their own. Every country is also free to not secure their boarder, but then the refugees are their obligation (that is the law).

My initial point was that borders can be secured, if countries choose to do so; Macedonia is prove that it can be done without investing crazy amounts of money.

JPRouve said:
I once saw someone suggest that Hollywood played a part in it, people that migrates to the US have already started the process of integration because they are well aware of the values and principals that lead the country. In Europe immigrants are sometimes hit by the cultural differences and expectations.
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There are lots of reasons why countries have different capabilities to integrate immigrants. Culture, laws, labor markets all play its part.

European countries struggle with diversity and immigration. A glance at European history should be enough to prove, that Europeans are not particularly good at sustaining different identities/cultures in a single nation state and integration isn’t always working as good as intended. We are just very uncomfortable to talk about that fact and its implications.
 
PedroMendez said:
I am suggesting that the Schengen-countries should coordinate their external-border security to some extent. The EU should offer countries with an external border logistic and financial help to secure their borders, but obviously they are also free to do that on their own. Every country is also free to not secure their boarder, but then the refugees are their obligation (that is the law).

My initial point was that borders can be secured, if countries choose to do so; Macedonia is prove that it can be done without investing crazy amounts of money.
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And the countries don't want that because of sovereignty arguments and it would also mean that the EU have a homeland administration which once again the members don't want at all.
 
Fearless said:
Your arrogance is sickening, and the question remains how many more defeats does the regressive left need to experience before they realise that Trump voters / Brexiters/ Zionists/ Racists / Sexists etc. just can't be arsed to engage with a bunch of serial losers.

You made this.
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Yep its entirely the lefts fault that morons exist, ok.
 
PedroMendez said:
yes, but they would need to register as refugees in Greece, which means, that they can't do the same in Sweden, Germany or France.
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Youare assuming they will stay there forever, whether they've applied for asylum or not

I am suggesting that the Schengen-countries should coordinate their external-border security to some extent. The EU should offer countries with an external border logistic and financial help to secure their borders, but obviously they are also free to do that on their own. Every country is also free to not secure their boarder, but then the refugees are their obligation (that is the law).

My initial point was that borders can be secured, if countries choose to do so; Macedonia is prove that it can be done without investing crazy amounts of money.
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Macedonia may be more secure than its neighbours which will mean migrants try another route. Once all routes are equally difficult migrants will still find a way

European countries struggle with diversity and immigration. A glance at European history should be enough to prove, that Europeans are not particularly good at sustaining different identities/cultures in a single nation state and integration isn’t always working as good as intended. We are just very uncomfortable to talk about that fact and its implications.
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Nah, look what purity and nationalism brought Europe 75 years ago. Time to get on
 
JPRouve said:
And the countries don't want that because of sovereignty arguments and it would also mean that the EU have a homeland administration which once again the members don't want at all.
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yes. Some countries don't want that and they have to deal with the consequences. Countries from Macedonia to Austria were able to coordinated their response. It is all a question of incentives.
 
Mozza said:
Nah, look what purity and nationalism brought Europe 75 years ago. Time to get on
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You don't need to go back 75 years. 25 years is enough. "time to get on" is a nice statement. I'd love that, because I fundamentally reject nationalism and other stupid collective identities. Yet the super majority of people is not willing and able to do that.
 
afrocentricity said:
Seems to be a few Trumpets around now, maybe they'll comment?

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I'll take issue with number 8. Navy SEALs die now and again. That's the nature of their job, something like six SEALs died doing recon for the Grenada invasion. I don't want to sound harsh but the little girl was a family member of the target, or so I recall reading in the Guardian. Terrorists put their loved ones in harms way because they have more value to them dead than alive, it's straight from the Hamas playbook on terrorism.

As for number nine, wouldn't exactly call that raid in Yemen a crisis, would you?

And on number 11, it costs a hell of a lot more to fly AF1 from Dulles to Honolulu than it does to Mar-a-lago.
 
Fearless said:
Your arrogance is sickening, and the question remains how many more defeats does the regressive left need to experience before they realise that Trump voters / Brexiters/ Zionists/ Racists / Sexists etc. just can't be arsed to engage with a bunch of serial losers.

You made this.
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I honestly think that a lot of people have an issue with what has been happening and want change, I think most people can probably agree or see that there have been massive issues which have not been tackled by government etc.

That doesn't however mean Trump is the answer. In fact I think he will make things worse.
 
PedroMendez said:
You don't need to go back 75 years. 25 years is enough. "time to get on" is a nice statement. I'd love that, because I fundamentally reject nationalism and other stupid collective identities. Yet the super majority of people is not willing and able to do that.
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For now. But you continue to push for progress and not accept that this is how things will stay
 
Funny how Communist countries have traditionally been far more restrictive when it comes to migration, both incoming and outgoing.
 
It's just a sad fact of life that immigrants (whether economic or refugee) will be scapegoated for a country's problems. No matter where in the world you look migrants of all colours and creeds are demonised so it isn't a race/religion issue per say and more a us and them mentality.

Look at the reputation of central Americans in Mexico, Han chinese in Thailand, Rohingya in Bangladesh, Afghans in Iran, caucasians in Russia or West Africans in South Africa.

Unfortunately many first generation migrants bunch together for ease of language and collective protection, it normally takes 2-3 generations for people to have a semblance of integration but our 21st century life is so fast paced that we are demanding immediate integration.
 
2cents said:
Funny how Communist countries have traditionally been far more restrictive when it comes to migration, both incoming and outgoing.
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Communist countries are almost exclusively strongly nationalist.
 
Neutral said:
It's his fault for doing the right thing at the wrong time.

Speaking out against Anti-antisemitism is a slam dunk in the US. Easy win...it's not like he had to denounce islamophobia - we have studies trying to prove it doesn't even exist :lol:

All he had to do was say - antisemitism is disgusting and unacceptable and we will continue to work to fight against it. Instead, he gave his rambling non-answer in the press conference the other day.

In the past month, Trump has missed quite a few layups - for a guy who loves playing to the gallery and time and time has proven he has his finger on the pulse of the masses - these missteps are really strange.
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It's like his David Duke moment - he looked so bad for not nailing it.
 
I believe there were 117 road deaths in Sweden in 2015, but zero fatalities from terrorism in Sweden in 2015. So I reckon Trump should ban the import of Volvo's to the US!!!

Btw, I think Sweden has the lowest road traffic accidents per head in the World. Real facts.
 
RedTiger said:
His name is Juhel Miah which is a pretty common name for bangladeshis, wouldn't think it would be on the no fly list though.
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Why not? The more there are with that name the higher the chance of it appearing on a list.

Apart from that it could be that someone else with that name is being monitored for some security reason. There is good co-operation between security forces at the moment. (Possibly a case of mistaken identity though).
 
Fingeredmouse said:
Is that right? Isn't communism internationalist at its very foundation?
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I don't really know if it has been theorized that way but to me, Marxism is about workers and is internationalist while communism is about the nation and is nationalist.
 
Red Defence said:
Why not? The more there are with that name the higher the chance of it appearing on a list.

Apart from that it could be that someone else with that name is being monitored for some security reason. There is good co-operation between security forces at the moment. (Possibly a case of mistaken identity though).
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That's true, but then why the feck would the US give him a visa? If he's on a no fly list then obviously that would be checked when the visa Is in the application phase?
 
2cents said:
That's the paradox.

Worth noting too that 'rampant capitalism' is probably a large part of what draws migrants to certain places in the first place.
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True

I'd also say Hollywood plays a role at selling and glamorising US and Western culture. To be fair, almost everybody given a chance would want to better their life prospects from war and poverty hit countries. It' too easy for us to complain and moan about refugees and migrants whilst we are all well fed and living to very decent standards.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't really know if it has been theorized that way but to me, Marxism is about workers and is internationalist while communism is about the nation and is nationalist.
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In practice that's how it has generally seemed to work out, as under-developed Communist states have sought to use nationalism and statism to protect the state against 'foreign' (i.e. capitalist) influence. But I don't think it would be fair to label to the Soviet Union as 'nationalist' - it was run for decades by a Georgian and was also internationalist in its foreign affairs. Same goes for Castro's Cuba. And of course the Comintern itself was internationalist almost by definition.
 
the very short version:
Marx&Engels were internationalists and fancied a world-wide revolution. In 1924, with the death of Lenin, the Communist International changed the focus to "socialism in one country" (it is a specific doctrine) after Stalin won the infighting against Trotsky.

So it depends who you follow, but usually it has an international focus.
 
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RedTiger said:
That's true, but then why the feck would the US give him a visa? If he's on a no fly list then obviously that would be checked when the visa Is in the application phase?
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Dunno. Might depend on when he applied for and was granted his visa. I'm more inclined to think that someone with that name might be under observation for security reasons and that has come to the attention of someone checking a passenger list rather than a standard a no-fly list.
 
Raoul said:
This sort of sentiment is pretty much proof that Trump is damned if he does / damned if he doesn't , in which case there's little incentive for him to depart from his previous positions.
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Little incentive? Is doing the right thing not enough?
Fener1907 said:
Let's do this!

1. How does a completely unrelated issue vindicate Clinton? Settling a lawsuit doesn't automatically make you a crook, nor does it disprove somebody else isn't.

2. There's no law requiring him to do so. If people are that bothered by it, they should pressure politicians to make one requiring candidates to release them.

3. Sources would be nice here. We can't lump all of those conflicts into the same criticism, not when some may need more time to be sorted. It's important to remember that there's never been a successful businessman like Donald Trump to become president, not in modern times. It makes it unprecedented and unpredictable as a result, which is to say there's a question as to whether or not our expectations are realistic.

4. Yep, he brought the Goldman Sachs people in. Does that make him a complete hypocrite? Not necessarily. I'd rather see them in the public eye by being among his administration than working behind the scenes and pulling the strings that way. The latter is far more dangerous, an option Clinton

5. 'Best' and 'smartest' are very subjective. Ask yourself this - do your political beliefs align with Trump's? No? Chances are this would always be a stick to beat him with.

6. Literally every candidate says this or something to that effect. Trump is far from unique. As much as "what about [other person]!" is traditionally a cheap tactic, it definitely applies here. As for DeVos, that's a questionable pick. What is also questionable is if it was Trump who picked her, or perhaps it was pressure from all of those Republicans she's donated to.

7. Can anybody even explain what the 'swamp' is? People look to have settled on a very simplistic definition of 'a person who is rich'. The 'swamp' is traditionally home to some very nasty people who've enabled plenty of their friends to get rich. Trump's people are already rich and can put other interests ahead of financial gain. Even if they're in it for more money, big deal. He'll have reneged on one of his promises like every president who has ever lived.

8. Do we know that the Generals said this? For such a top secret meeting, that's a pretty emphatic analysis about the Generals. I'd need more info on this one.

9. One Tweet or a few at the most doesn't take that much time. And he slept? The guy getting four hours every night needed to sleep? Who'd have thought it. As for the moment he picked, once again, it's something that's lacking much to back it up.

10. Actually, I think more a case of being just grateful to those news agencies than relying on them. Maybe he references them and has spread the occasional story of theirs, but I don't expect it's like his dependence on Fox News, which, albeit hardly totally reliable itself, is one he obviously pays the most attention to.

11. Old habits die hard. I guess he'll start spending more time in Washington. For now, it's about giving him time to adjust to the role.

12. There's no 12. Stop reading and get a hobby.
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So in general, none of this is alarming? None of this bothers you? As expected...
 
I could be totally wrong but I'm pretty sure the reason the Soviet Union had subnational republics was down to Lenin, as he valued the nation state and nationalism highly(In contrast to other such as Luxemburg). Recent example I found of this was the Bolsheviks fondness for the 1916 Rising in Ireland and one of it's leaders - socialist/marxist James Connolly.

But as @PedroMendez mentioned it's pretty much down to who you follow.
 
In the 'Third World' the Soviets supported nationalist movements as the most reliable means of fighting capitalist-imperialism. This meant that those nationalist movements kind of naturally gravitated towards the Soviet model, while never surrendering their basically nationalist impulse.
 
afrocentricity said:
Little incentive? Is doing the right thing not enough?

So in general, none of this is alarming? None of this bothers you? As expected...
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As a Trump supporter, some things certainly do bother me. What also bothers me are unsourced, blatantly biased lists that place the blame solely on him, when nobody wants to look at the Republican party as a whole and we're dealing with common issues that have been evident in previous administrations.

Give Trump a chance.
 
Fener1907 said:
As a Trump supporter, some things certainly do bother me. What also bothers me are unsourced, blatantly biased lists that place the blame solely on him, when nobody wants to look at the Republican party as a whole and we're dealing with common issues that have been evident in previous administrations.

Give Trump a chance.
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I'm looking at him and the Republican party, both have taken it to new depths....

As for giving him a chance, I did. It didn't take very long for him to confirm my suspicions... For some it seems like he can do no wrong tho...
 
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