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Ah, here we go. Time to deligitimize the participant in the debate because of his opposing views. Also draw a parallell to Bannon, FN, AfD etc, I am just surprised that you didn't draw the Hitler card.

Never change the Caf.

I now retract from this debate since it simply isn't worth it to have an opposing view on here.
 
Ah, here we go. Time to deligitimize the participant in the debate because of his opposing views. Also draw a parallell to Bannon, FN, AfD etc, I am just surprised that you didn't draw the Hitler card.

Never change the Caf.

I now retract from this debate since it simply isn't worth it to have an opposing view on here.
Bit soft this.
 
These problems are linked to the refugee crisis because a lot of the people who participate in the gangs who weekly throw grenades and have shootouts with full auto's (also, you have to be from Scandinavia to understand how surreal things like these are in our societies) are "unga ensamtkommande" as they call them in Sweden, this means young, male and that they came by themselves.

Either they have been there for a few years and have been granted asylum, or they are of Moroccan, Tunisian, Algerian descent - and their background are important because it shows us that you can't send signals about open border policies since that then will attract a whole lot of people from countries that doesn't qualify for asylum. These young males are then left in "limbo" in society while their asylum application is being processed, and a whole lot of them disappear before they get their denied application. They then take refuge in places like Rinkeby, Rosengården and Tenstad and add to the already boiling powder keg.

Sweden have been terrible naive and are now feeling the consequences.

I haven't seen Marocco, Tunisia or Algeria been included in Trump's list of "excluded" states. It is the same states Germany and other states have problems with...
 
Bit soft this.

I've debated from an opposing viewpoint numerous times on here, between the attempts at ridicule, the holier than thou participants who often debate from an emotional and not rational standpoint, the 400 alerts with the expectancy of you giving a detailed response to each etc. it simply isn't worth the time.

You are welcome to pick up the debate yourself if you like.
 
Ah, here we go. Time to deligitimize the participant in the debate because of his opposing views. Also draw a parallell to Bannon, FN, AfD etc, I am just surprised that you didn't draw the Hitler card.

Never change the Caf.

I now retract from this debate since it simply isn't worth it to have an opposing view on here.

Jeeeeez, that's a bit precious isn't it? I think you need to go and read stuff again because the Bannon comment wasn't even aimed at or about you, nor was it in response to you either.
 
Ah, here we go. Time to deligitimize the participant in the debate because of his opposing views. Also draw a parallell to Bannon, FN, AfD etc, I am just surprised that you didn't draw the Hitler card.

Never change the Caf.

I now retract from this debate since it simply isn't worth it to have an opposing view on here.
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You started this when you tryied to use the Trump bullshit for cheap digs against the left you despise.
One could have a sophisticated debate about Sweden's stance on immigration and refugees but people weren't referring to that when they where laughing about Trump, they rightfully ridiculed his attempt to pull an argument from a fox news report who deliberately misquoted Swedish police.
You ignored all this and just focused on having one of your rants against unrealistic leftie hippies.So don't act like a baby when you didn't want to have a debate in the first place.
 
These problems are linked to the refugee crisis because a lot of the people who participate in the gangs who weekly throw grenades and have shootouts with full auto's (also, you have to be from Scandinavia to understand how surreal things like these are in our societies) are "unga ensamtkommande" as they call them in Sweden, this means young, male and that they came by themselves.

Either they have been there for a few years and have been granted asylum, or they are of Moroccan, Tunisian, Algerian descent - and their background are important because it shows us that you can't send signals about open border policies since that then will attract a whole lot of people from countries that doesn't qualify for asylum. These young males are then left in "limbo" in society while their asylum application is being processed, and a whole lot of them disappear before they get their denied application. They then take refuge in places like Rinkeby, Rosengården and Tenstad and add to the already boiling powder keg.

Sweden have been terrible naive and are now feeling the consequences.

Have you sort to ask yourself why these young men are running around in gangs having shootouts and throwing grenades?
 
I've debated from an opposing viewpoint numerous times on here, between the attempts at ridicule, the holier than thou participants who often debate from an emotional and not rational standpoint, the 400 alerts with the expectancy of you giving a detailed response to each etc. it simply isn't worth the time.

You are welcome to pick up the debate yourself if you like.

Why even bother posting on here at all then if that's what you think? Why post something then flounce off whenever anyone replies or challenges you? That's taking the martyr act to the extreme.
 
Maybe all the Swedish journalists were killed in the shoot-out then ?

To be fair, there was incidents involving 15 to 30 unidentified people who attacked the police and burnt cars in a troublesome little town mostly populated by immigrants and immigrants decent. The problem is the link that some media made with the refugee crisis, that link is at the very least a bit quick.
 
So what are you saying? Trump was right?

As my original post if you would bother to look it up and not just uncritically join in uninformed will tell you is that I wrote that Trump was wrong about that big singular event, but that as a whole he is right about Swedish policies having led to problems in a larger perspective and for Swedish society as a whole.

But never mind that, I have an opposing view that isn't founded on the left, right? I must be a uninformed Drumpf supporter then.
 
The beauty of living in a democratic country is that it is our right to protest things we do not agree with.

People like Fearless who post here anger me greatly. He is so rude and condescending about everything that happened and likes to tell us all to shut up and accept it all, not understanding the irony of his statements. It's refreshing really, yes, unfortunately the UK did vote to leave the EU, but it was damn close and it was mainly because of the disgusting lies told by the leave campaign AND the problem that the remain campaign were too arrogant and didn't get their side across to the voters well enough. BUT! So many people have said they regret their vote, it's small comfort, but if the vote was tomorrow we would be back in the EU.

Over in the USA Trump won, but LOST the popular vote and quite considerably too, and from both these events the reaction has been magnificent and people have started to be motivated to take action in the right ways. Peaceful protests, campaigning, getting information out there and hopefully come election time, voting. That's why people on the right are getting shit scared because they know the power their movement had, and they can see they are woefully outnumbered and that they are now fighting to keep hold of what they have just won because they know their time in power will be short.


Seeing as you love predictions...

 
As my original post if you would bother to look it up and not just uncritically join in uninformed will tell you is that I wrote that Trump was wrong about that big singular event, but that as a whole he is right about Swedish policies having led to problems in a larger perspective and for Swedish society as a whole.

But never mind that, I have an opposing view that isn't founded on the left, right? I must be a uninformed Drumpf supporter then.

Did anyone actually say this? You're being quite defensive...
 
Ah, here we go. Time to deligitimize the participant in the debate because of his opposing views. Also draw a parallell to Bannon, FN, AfD etc, I am just surprised that you didn't draw the Hitler card.

Never change the Caf.

I now retract from this debate since it simply isn't worth it to have an opposing view on here.
You make bold statements about the background and motivation of these people, make equally bold judgements which you do not provide convincing reasoning for. Rambling about incidences with immigrants without detailed knowledge of the situation and wihout asking objective questions is exactly what populists do. The questions JP asked are exactly the ones which should be asked if someonoe is serious to solve the problem based on facts, not assumptions.
 
Yes, alternatively you could access all the biggest national newspapers in Norway and Sweden, you know Sweden, the country where this actually happened.

I did, that's why I know that when you linked it to refugees and asylum seekers you were full of shit. And that's why I asked you a couple of questions.
 
As my original post if you would bother to look it up and not just uncritically join in uninformed will tell you is that I wrote that Trump was wrong about that big singular event, but that as a whole he is right about Swedish policies having led to problems in a larger perspective and for Swedish society as a whole.

But never mind that, I have an opposing view that isn't founded on the left, right? I must be a uninformed Drumpf supporter then.
I asked you a question, no need to be a fanny about it. Leave out all the victim complex beginning and end to your post bullshit...
 
I did, that's why I know that when you linked it to refugees and asylum seekers you were full of shit. And that's why I asked you a couple of questions.

I have explained this in a previous post about how people without the right to asylum caught in asylum-limbo in Sweden adds fuel to the fire. Also I specifically wrote "immigration and refugee policies" and explained how Swedish society can't cope with the high amount of people that arrive due to the infrastructure not being in place. You then get failed integration and parallell societies, which leads to what we currently see.

I'll end the debate now. You speaking from a French perspective obviously know more about the situation in Norway, Sweden and Scandinavia in general than me so I really can't see what I can add.
 
I have explained this in a previous post about how people without the right to asylum caught in asylum-limbo in Sweden adds fuel to the fire. Also I specifically wrote "immigration and refugee policies" and explained how Swedish society can't cope with the high amount of people that arrive due to the infrastructure not being in place. You then get failed integration and parallell societies, which leads to what we currently see.

I'll end the debate now. You speaking from a French perspective obviously know more about the situation in Norway, Sweden and Scandinavia in general than me so I really can't see what I can add.

I haven't made a single affirmation. They tried to arrest someone in a troubled area that is described as a "no-go area", I don't know who that person is, which background he has, why they tried to arrest him. I just know that the police got ambushed in a troubled area.
 
You know anything of his views of Islam / the Middle East / jihad, etc.?
I was just reading this article http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-mcmaster-national-security-235213 in which your question is briefly touched upon:

In another departure from some of the rhetoric of Trump and Flynn, McMaster has sought to separate the depravity of Islamic terror groups from the wider religion.

For example in a recent speech at the Virginia Military Institute, he said, “We will defeat today's enemies, including terrorist organizations, like [the Islamic State], who cynically use a perverted interpretation of religion to incite hatred and justify horrific cruelty against innocents.”
 
Did anyone actually say this? You're being quite defensive...
Makes a change from him being offensive. For someone so happy to lob verbal hand grenades about excessive levels of immigration and the threat posed, specifically by young islamic males to Scandinavian society that could come straight out of Anders Breivik's manifesto he's got surprisingly little backbone when he's asked to stand behind his words and back them up with genuine facts about recent immigration rather than just the same old xenophobic jibes about islam's inability to integrate with western society.
 
Guys please stop this debate or @SwansonsTache might get his feelings hurt from imaginary postings describing him as a trump fanboy or comparing him to Bannon.
 
Ah, there we got the first Breivik parallell. A guy that killed 77 innocent youth in Norway in our worst post-war massacre.

Not that much separating us really. I mean, me pointing out the current level of influx to Sweden not being sustainable and integration suffering which then leads to parallell societies and the problems they currently see - a viewpoint that media in Denmark, Norway and partially Sweden also weekly highlight definitely puts me right there up with him.

We're like two peas in a pod. But the unfair comparisons and characteristics are probably all a figment of my own imagination.

Edit: Strangely it seems that the Swedish government agrees with me and have put restrictions in place. They must also be avid Breivik supporters:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/world/europe/sweden-immigrant-restrictions.html?_r=0

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...in-the-world-was-overwhelmed-by-migrants.html
 
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Ah, there we got the first Breivik parallell. A guy that killed 77 innocent youth in Norway in our worst post-war massacre.

Not that much separating us really. I mean, me pointing out the current level of influx to Sweden not being sustainable and integration suffering which then leads to parallell societies and the problems they currently see - a viewpoint that media in Denmark, Norway and partially Sweden also weekly highlight definitely puts me right there up with him.

We're like two peas in a pod. But the unfair comparisons and characteristics are probably all a figment of my own imagination.
When every word you utter on the subject is tantamount to condemning a whole portion of society on the basis of their ethnicity or religion then all you are doing its deepening the divides and creating a more toxic environment in which both the Breiviks and jihadis of this world thrive. You're condemning large portions of your own society, many of whom have been struggling for decades and telling them there is no way they will ever integrate so no point in them being allowed to remain and you offer no answers or solutions to rectify this situation beyond the implications we can read between your bilious lines which amount to walls, travel bans and forced deportations.

Us soft lefties might not have all the answers but at least we're looking for some rather than just driving a wedge deeper into society and thereby being part of the problem.
 
When every word you utter on the subject is tantamount to condemning a whole portion of society on the basis of their ethnicity or religion then all you are doing its deepening the divides and creating a more toxic environment in which both the Breiviks and jihadis of this world thrive. You're condemning large portions of your own society, many of whom have been struggling for decades and telling them there is no way they will ever integrate so no point in them being allowed to remain and you offer no answers or solutions to rectify this situation beyond the implications we can read between your bilious lines which amount to walls, travel bans and forced deportations.

Us soft lefties might not have all the answers but at least we're looking for some rather than just driving a wedge deeper into society and thereby being part of the problem.

If you read carefully you will notice that I excusively point out the failure of open border policies by how they attract a huge influx of people who in no way, shape or form have the right to asylum. These huge influxes then makes the whole system buckle and you get huge amounts of young males who go underground and take refuge in the places where we currently see the riots and social problems in Sweden, therefore adding fuel to an already problematic situation.

http://www.thelocal.se/20160306/sweden-sees-a-surge-in-missing-asylum-seekers

It is widely reported that the youngest among these often are recruited by the numerous criminal gangs in these suburbs:

http://www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/20...t-kriminelle-gjenger-i-malmo-rekrutterer-barn * must be translated from Swedish

So, keep looking for answers. I am sure you'll find some one day.
 
Us soft lefties might not have all the answers but at least we're looking for some rather than just driving a wedge deeper into society and thereby being part of the problem.

Beyond having a go at SwansonsTach can you give us a hint of any solutions you're working on then and if you have any, have they been tested?
 
When every word you utter on the subject is tantamount to condemning a whole portion of society on the basis of their ethnicity or religion then all you are doing its deepening the divides and creating a more toxic environment in which both the Breiviks and jihadis of this world thrive. You're condemning large portions of your own society, many of whom have been struggling for decades and telling them there is no way they will ever integrate so no point in them being allowed to remain and you offer no answers or solutions to rectify this situation beyond the implications we can read between your bilious lines which amount to walls, travel bans and forced deportations.

Us soft lefties might not have all the answers but at least we're looking for some rather than just driving a wedge deeper into society and thereby being part of the problem.

I'm not lefty, so take that back.:smirk:

But the main problem is that the muslims of today are the polish, italians or Jews of the beginning of the 20th century. First and second generation immigrants are in majority poor, they live in what we could call ghettos because the rents are low, those places have a higher rate of criminality and lower rate of education.
My problem is that people are dumb, they don't see that we don't really have a religious problem, we have localized social and economical problems. Current politicians are purposely blaming islam because that culprit doesn't require any work but if they actually try find the answers to the real problems they will be forced to create environments suitable to entrepreneurship which is a lot harder than anything their little brains can fathom.
 
You know anything of his views of Islam / the Middle East / jihad, etc.?


He's in the Petraues counter insurgency camp, in fact he helped Petraues brainstorm ideas for his 2006/07 rewrite of Army COIN doctrine.

 
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I'm not lefty, so take that back.:smirk:

But the main problem is that the muslims of today are the polish, italians or Jews of the beginning of the 20th century. First and second generation immigrants are in majority poor, they live in what we could call ghettos because the rents are low, those places have a higher rate of criminality and lower rate of education.
My problem is that people are dumb, they don't see that we don't really have a religious problem, we have localized social and economical problems. Current politicians are purposely blaming islam because that culprit doesn't require any work but if they actually try find the answers to the real problems they will be forced to create environments suitable to entrepreneurship which is a lot harder than anything their little brains can fathom.

In Germany there is a distinct and measurable difference between how most eastern Europeans integrate and how people from turkey integrate. Of course culture matters and religion influences cultural values (or is part of culture depending on how you define the term). That obviously doesn't mean, that cultural background is the only variable.
 
I'm not lefty, so take that back.:smirk:

But the main problem is that the muslims of today are the polish, italians or Jews of the beginning of the 20th century. First and second generation immigrants are in majority poor, they live in what we could call ghettos because the rents are low, those places have a higher rate of criminality and lower rate of education.
My problem is that people are dumb, they don't see that we don't really have a religious problem, we have localized social and economical problems. Current politicians are purposely blaming islam because that culprit doesn't require any work but if they actually try find the answers to the real problems they will be forced to create environments suitable to entrepreneurship which is a lot harder than anything their little brains can fathom.

 
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