Na man. We don't want to start thread banning people for expressing their opinions (as long as they aren't racist/homophobic/personal attacks), we'd be no better than pro Trump sites such as r/donald which ban people on the flimsiest pretences.
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I get the impression he's the sort of guy that would not click on a link if he thought the info it lead to might shake up his ideology...
He doesn't believe in acknowledging reality in relation to this. He said he doesn't believe it's important and would rather ignore it for his entertainment.
That's the type of question that gets swerved mate...
If you can't attack it with a dose of whataboutism, or label it fake news. They won't even see it. Post? What post?
If you can't attack it with a dose of whataboutism, or label it fake news. They won't even see it. Post? What post?
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Nah despite Obama's 'red line' nonsense, which was definitely a massive blunder, America's involvement in Syria since 2011 has never been particularly decisive. American policy in Syria has been very destructive but not in the way I think you believe it to have been.
What do you mean by Russia outsourcing IS to you?
Alex, I've not been involved in this mess tonight and don't have much interaction with Trump supporters so could you please enlighten me and explain this point? Not trolling, just want to know why you think the establishment failed. Apologies if you've answered this.
Even if someone thinks the establishment has 'failed,' they're largely operating in denial if they think Trump isn't the establishment.
I expect it to be ignored, probably by quoting one of us instead and wumming.
Probably. But I want an answer. Anyone supporting Trump should have to justify Bannon's inclusion, even though I'd argue it's impossible to do so. Similar to climate change...although the typical excuse for that is that it's somehow not real, and all the scientists have their own agenda.
The way I see it is current government (pre trump) and the ones before along with their policies. Also, giant corporations such as the pharmaceutical industries, universities are considered part of the establishment. Establishments come and go. One day Trump and the republicans may be the establishment but right now they are the change. Capitalism is the establishment. The EU is the establishment, brexit is the change. There's more I guess one could write an article about it. Some are confused by this, for example the band greenday still sing about anti-establishment but they were urging people to vote for Hillary (that was confusing).
Don't really want to get involved in the ban discussion, we have admins and mods for that kind of stuff...But, being racist, homophobic and personal attacks aren't the only dis-qualifiers.
Trolling and being deliberately obtuse (trying to be nice here and avoid a personal attack lol) are also potential problems.
Not probably, what I wrote was his reply to me on the matter.
Join us and play bingo... It helps.
The question has been asked and ignored, twice.
I wouldn't insult unless insulted.
I struggle to see how one could argue Trump's regime is change when the vast majority of those within it are the same Republicans who've been around for decades.
And again, how do you justify the inclusion of white supremacist Steve Bannon, whose goal is the destruction of the state? And how do you justify Trump's dangerous climate change beliefs?
I've answered it already but I thought that the people asking it were WUMS. It seems such an obvious thing that why would I need to explain that. I mean I barely have time to read posts here.
So you're even sick of it when people admit that he makes mistakes? Wow!!! You should go get checked
Your first post in this thread?
It's crazy how similar their posting styles are... We need a scientific name for it, they must be studied.
Since it's obvious just tell me quickly. How the establishment failed and how Trump who is the personification of capitalism is the change when you consider capitalism as the establishment?
There's the swerve...
I get your points about the vast majority of republicans, but can you honestly say that Trump does not represent change? All one has to do is look around.
Trump's dangerous Climate change beliefs. I agree with those beliefs. Geo engineering has more to do with climate change than CO2.
@Cheesy I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know who Bannon is at this point
He knows, check the silence, not even a deft swerve just straight up ignored.
That belief you quote is literally what people used to think before, you know, science. It's not change , it's regression.
He seems alright
What are you guys on about him wanting to destroy the state?
Anyway I've just seen two articles on bannon, one which makes him out to be perfect and one which villifies him.
Could you elaborate on your agreement with Trump on the matter, even though he is disputing at least 97% of the scientific community? Additionally, can you justify the inclusion of white supremacist Steve Bannon, whose goal is for the destruction of the state? Do you not agree Bannon's inclusion may be extremely dangerous for those of minorities Bannon does not approve of? Thanks.
So you voted for a complete incompetent instead of someone who at least knows what she is doing? Not to mention that this whole last decade and a half has been shit because of the last incompetent moron you lot voted in.
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they want a shift in policies and how politics is done. You can decide if he delivers that. If not: Why all the drama? If yes: well, thats what his voters want.
Not us. Him. Those are his words.
looks like you're the wummers here. i thought it was pretty obvious what the establishment is.
What's the evidence for Bannon being a white supremacist?
Yes someone who is a divisive ideologue and is so far to one extreme deserves fair scrutiny, okay.
The 'alright' Bannon (you missed a 't' after the 'l') advocates the destruction of the state, something which would have harmful consequences for the vast majority of America.
It is. It's Trump.
he said he wants yo destroy the establishment, not the state!!!
It's pretty obvious that Donald Trump is part of it
A rich white cut throat bigoted billionaire isnt the establishment? Whys the swamp not drained? Why is Goldman Sachs all over his economic team?
His close association with the alt-right movement qualifies, considering the alt-right themselves have often proudly embraced the mantle of white supremacism. Some will disagree on the term but I'd argue it applies to Bannon, or at least he has helped to fuel such movements.
yea i know he's alt-right
that's your view though. he said destroy the establishment not the state
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