In case you haven't noticed I'm outnumbered here. I got like 40 notifications to reply to!!!!!"I don't have time to explain it right now"
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Sorry, but lol. You're just making yourself look ridiculous now. You've shown you've predicated everything you've discussed tonight on nothing. Youre trying to argue about something you're admitting you know nothing about with people who've been tracking it very closely. Do yourself a favour. Get informed. Otherwise, in a few months time you'll find yourself sounding like the trump voters who are now lamenting their decision. Better sooner rather than later.
It's in theory to balance the voting power of the states. To prevent the most populous areas from holding all the power. Note as our misinformed friend claims to even out the vote
Similar to the balanced make up of the Senate When compared to how seats in the Housr a divided up.
In trying to form a new nation out of a group of diverse colonies it was not a horrible compromise.
So I'll ask again, what is there to gain by trying to engage with the I'll informed ignorant? Is there a more effective alternative? Because let's be honest, it's incredibly, what's the word?
The links are all in this thread from this morning. You know, the thread you've leapt into where people know what they're talking about.
Also, it's actually required by law to be on the public record so there's nothing to debunk.
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So he does not know about it but posts the truth about it? Wtf
Thanks, the system used to make sense but nowadays it shouldn't exist.
I think someone a couple of pages ago posted why the electoral college was set up - it was set up with someone like Trump in mind - it was set up to keep someone like him out of office.
well that and to give smaller states more power.
well that and to give smaller states more power.
Probably won't go away until states are done away with but that would pretty much take a revolution.
Standing up to Russia is usually a good one, Ukrainian liberty too, protection of democracy bla bla bla would all have flown. Americans (and most of the West for that matter) don't actually really like Russia anyway see.
USA already has bases all around Europe with many more countries on Ukraine's doorstep unfriendly to Russia therefore likely to have accepted American bases if strategically necessary so logistically the distance between Crimea and USA wouldn't have been a problem either.
Anyway the point is not the potential US/Russia conflict itself, it's Putin thinking that it was a possibility and having to swerve it.
Russia have been in semi-direct conflict with USA before in Afghanistan, it pretty much killed the USSR. This was a game of poker where the stakes were far higher for Russia should a "hot war" come about, but Putin knew he could take the risk with Obama.
To be fair and completely honest, I have been saying it for months that I would sincerely love to have a proper discussion with a Trump supporter/far right poster, but it seems completely impossible as again proven here by the two posting now. As I said to @unchanged_lineup I've given up replying now, they are just twisting stuff, changing the subject, using whataboutism and getting quite rude and condescending in reply, there's just no point. It's also impossible to try to communicate to someone who gives justification for blatant lies and then makes excuses for them saying we shouldn't take him literally on the lies, but then to take him literally on everything else. Also giving us all shit about something then saying they aren't informed about it in the first place. I agree with you mate that it's pointless but it doesn't stop me or others trying, I think many of us would like an honest discussion but that seems to be almost impossible to find. The only conclusion I can draw so far is that many Trump supporters are as deluded and as big liars as he is which makes it easier for them to ignore the lies I suppose.
Giving weapons to the Mujahideen is a far cry from getting into a direct hot war with Putin's Russia. That was obviously never in the cards, just as it isn't with Trump.
The electoral colleges. They have not changed since like forever. Maybe there's a reason for that
He could have used Korea as a better example or just used Vietnam Asa similar one. Not to mention all the other hot wars that took place during the Cold War.
Though the real example of face to face confrontation is the Cuban Missile crises which thankfully ended without ww3 because neither side wanted nuclear war.
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Yea it doesn't make sense anymore coz it didn't serve the establishment this time around.
I remember earlier I was being accused of twisting stuff
And so you resort to outright stupid posts to prove what exactly?
I remember earlier I was being accused of twisting stuff
Could be worse, you could be lecturing people on something you admit you're uninformed about.
Oops.
Trump is rewriting the rulebook on masculinity https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/19/donald-trump-fragile-male-ego
why dont you tell us what you think that reason is
Yeah elected a rich white guy.....that'll show the establishment !!!!!
No, it doesn't make sense because the federation is different today and the outcome doesn't miror the wishes of the american citizens.
I just wonder, where all the people, that are oh-so concerned about the democratic problems of the electoral colleague were hiding during the last 8 years . I know that Eboue talked about this previously, but almost nobody gave a feck and Obama&house democrats also showed little interest. Democratic procedures are only brought up, when someone doesn't like the outcome of a election.
. I know that Eboue talked about this previously, but almost nobody gave a feck and Obama&house democrats also showed little interest. Democratic procedures are only brought up, when someone doesn't like the outcome of a election.You're picking up that many responses because your posts are inflammatory. You've wandered into something and tried to win a series of arguments and have been spread horribly thin because you're often defending the indefensible.
This is a crucial point that all trump supporters seem to fall apart on. The absolute incapability to hold two contrasting viewpoints at the same time.
You can support Trump and his policies AND disagree with his presentation and demeanour at the same time. I don't believe that many people would take an issue with that. But to defend the guy on every single standpoint and try to make him seem misunderstood - as opposed to simply misinformed - is bananas.
If we take a very simple thing with his predecessor. Obama for all his merits had many areas that his supporters disagreed with. The huge uptick in Drone strikes being an obvious one. Democrats/Obama supporters rarely (if ever) tried to suggest they agreed with ALL his actions.
If a Trump supporter sits and tells me that they approve of his stance on Nato contributions, or Immigration, or anything else... I'll listen. As would most rational people. But to have that same person try to suggest that this accuracy-light, noise-heavy bombastic delivery method is on point across the board and that this whole sea of people (the MAJORITY) are wrong to suggest otherwise.... Ridiculous. Almost the very definition of the world.
This thread is just going to continue to go to sh1t if Trump supporters write before thinking to the same extent that Trump speaks before thnking. His supporters are just going to have to let themselves be red faced pretty often. They're backing a guy that puts his foot in it routinely.
I just wonder, where all the people, that are oh-so concerned about the democratic problems of the electoral colleague were hiding during the last 8 years
I know the answer to this one!
In fact, I know 3 million answers.
So Trump thinks news is fake but gets his information from Fox
You've just taken the easy route to stop the argument. I'm sure you know everything there is to know about trump. that's why your point of view is so one sided. if it wasn't one sided. now go to sleep like you said you would do ages ago. if it will help you sleep better, I can't argue with people who think they know everything just coz they're 'more informed'.
I just wonder, where all the people, that are oh-so concerned about the democratic problems of the electoral colleague were hiding during the last 8 years
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...eforms-to-electoral-college-after-bush-v-gore
This is one tiny example. It's been brought up routinely by so many. Just Google. Literally add "Politician Name" to "electoral college reform" in Google. Thousands of articles. Everyone knows the system is broken but nobody can change it.
If the world started again tomorrow with the current levels of technology, there is ZERO chance that the current electoral college would be the outcome.
The United States is a union of 50 equal entities. The electoral system is an imperfect balance between this union and the concept of one man one vote. I understand why people are upset at it, but it's worked well for most of the country's history, and it does grant the regions between the coasts a say in national affairs.
I'd go further, because the news element of the station is with all the other networks. He gets his info from the talking head, opinion element of the network who are often at odds with the news reporters.
enlighten us oh 'informed one'
You've just taken the easy route to stop the argument. I'm sure you know everything there is to know about trump. that's why your point of view is so one sided. if it wasn't one sided. now go to sleep like you said you would do ages ago. if it will help you sleep better, I can't argue with people who think they know everything just coz they're 'more informed'.
Michael Gove, is that you?
and you resort to outright trolling just to be annoying?
You can't imagine how much not getting that joke has just shown you up in this thread
Another fantastic article by the failing NY Times....
Don't know the bloke. I'm from Cyprus and he's an English MP apparently
Putin had no reason to back down. After Iraq the EU have no appetite for another US war, and a US-Russian war fought right on Russia's doorstep would have been the single most dangeous event since WW2. Putin couldn't back down without risking his powerbase at home, and the US couldn't militarily force them too without a full scale war, which would almost certainly have led to a nuclear exchange. It would have been insanity to intervene militarily.
The very most the US could have done is flood Ukraine with weapons like they did in Afghanistan, but unlike Afghanistan this isn't Russia invading a totally hostile nation, this is a former USSR state which still has a huge Russian speaking population and support and much more developed infrastructure. If the US openly supplied weapons, then the Russian army would have moved openly, and then we're back to the previous point.
Incidentally, Putin has been saying for a long time that Russia is incredibly vulnerable to US encroachment and building the feeling at home that Russia faces an existential threat. It's bizarre to us in the west because Russia was largely meaningless to us until recently, but I've talked to Russians who genuinely believe their country has been backed into a corner and could face annihilation at any time. It's insane, but thats the propaganda they've been fed now for years.
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