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Winrar said:
you're not exactly wrong, but I think MSM went overboard in exaggerating his follies in order to try to make him look worse than he is.

I mean, comparing him to someone who actually killed 6 million people an started a second world war isn't exactly a good comparison regardless of how racist trump is. and an exaggerated comparison that a lot of people here lapped up and used against trump supporters as well in branding them racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic, whatever-phobic, etc. which has probably increased the turnout of the silent majority.
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When people compare him to Hitler they're not drawing comparisons to the Holocaust, or to WWII. They're drawing comparisons to the early era Hitler: to the man who ran on a populist, far-right platform, who demonised a particular group of people (Jews for him, Muslims for Trump), who managed to rally significant portions of a disillusioned world power behind him, and who made all of his views blatantly clear before getting into office, yet somehow managed to make people assume he wouldn't do anything that bad.

I generally don't like Nazi comparisons because they're flung around too easily sometimes, but when you consider Trump's surrounding himself with a mixture of idiotic anti-science types who will do anything for more power, and establishment figures who had the chance to turn against him but didn't do so out of self-preservation, along with his distaste for any media that's gone against him, and threatening to reopen a closed investigation to jail a political opponent...then, yeah, comparisons are there.

I very much doubt Trump will ever come to be anything near what Hitler was, and I certainly hope it doesn't happen...but across the Western world we haven't seen a lurch to the right like this since...well, yeah...Hitler. What we're seeing may not be anywhere near as bad...but, well, the fact we seem so unwilling to look back in history when there are clear parallels there worries me. I remain hopeful Trump will end up doing little and not much will change, but I do worry all the same.
 
sincher said:
What does this mean? I am not just saying it, it is indisputably true. Start me off with a few million and hand over some real estate in New York in the 70s to me and I would be fabulously wealthy now even if I was totally incompetent in most of my dealings, as incidentally a number of people who worked closely with Trump for years have stated about him.
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Yeah but I bet you wouldn't have driven several companies into bankruptcy too...oh wait.
 
Member 5225 said:
Easy to just say....
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He inherited what, about 100 million from his father? Also got tons of loans from his father.

He has failed repeatedly. He even got away without paying his taxes because he was such a bad businessman.

He's bankrupted six of his businesses.

He's not a good businessman.

People even question the fact that he is a billionaire.
 
Sigma said:
He inherited what, about 100 million from his father? Also got tons of loans from his father.

He has failed repeatedly. He even got away without paying his taxes because he was such a bad businessman.

He's bankrupted six of his businesses.

He's not a good businessman.

People even question the fact that he is a billionaire.
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He ultimately turned 1 million into billions. That makes him a good businessman whatever the losses.

Forbes shows his net worth is 4 billion. Is that enough to be considered a billionaire?
 
Jacky Quacky said:
He ultimately turned 1 million into billions. That makes him a good businessman whatever the losses.

Forbes shows his net worth is 4 billion. Is that enough to be considered a billionaire?
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Like I said, all in all his father helped him to the tune of over 100 million, not 1 million.

I didn't say he's not a billionaire, I just said that its disputed
 
Jacky Quacky said:
He ultimately turned 1 million into billions. That makes him a good businessman whatever the losses.

Forbes shows his net worth is 4 billion. Is that enough to be considered a billionaire?
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Isn't that in a huge part because he values his 'brand' as an asset worth 2-3 billion though?
 
I don't really have anything to add other than I wish Obama could have had a third/fourth/eighth term.
 
Jacky Quacky said:
He ultimately turned 1 million into billions. That makes him a good businessman whatever the losses.

Forbes shows his net worth is 4 billion. Is that enough to be considered a billionaire?
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That's not true. He was given a million bucks when he was in early 20s, squandered it, then loaned another 35 million, lost that, rinse and repeat with his father giving him money over and over and him losing it. The most publicized of which was the billion dollar loss in the casino industry. In recent history (last decade or two) he's made most of his money loaning out his name to other realtors who put the Trump name on their buildings despite him having nothing to do with them. And from the US version of the apprentice. He's one of the most incompetent trust fund kids around. His father and his grandmother were the ones who built the Trump Organization, Trump just came out of the right twat at the right time.

The idea that he took a million and turned into 4 billion is simply bollocks.
 
Winrar said:
you're not exactly wrong, but I think MSM went overboard in exaggerating his follies in order to try to make him look worse than he is.

I mean, comparing him to someone who actually killed 6 million people an started a second world war isn't exactly a good comparison regardless of how racist trump is. and an exaggerated comparison that a lot of people here lapped up and used against trump supporters as well in branding them racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic, whatever-phobic, etc. which has probably increased the turnout of the silent majority.
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I've seen this said a few times now; how is it that people don't grasp that the parallels drawn with Hitler weren't with his acts of genocide rather with his early actions that put him in a position to get away with it?

Nobody is for one minute suggesting that Trump is going to have millions killed, but the similarities in things he's said to early years Hitler should be extremely concerning to everyone and not just brushed off as OTT nonsense.

Also turnout didn't increase.
 
I find myself more concerned with the appointments he'll make. Rumored is Carson for Secretary of Education. Great, ID will be taught in schools as truth. Rumors of blowhards like Christie and Giuliani in potential positions. Perhaps fringe nutters like Bannon and Jones can call shots behind the scenes. Maybe Jones will include Barton for historical and religious facts.

Apparently, Pence doesn't believe smoking causes death. Maybe he's changed his mind since then.

Also cringeworthy is the growing social media nonsense that 'god' drove this win and the voice of the people won for Trump (despite the fact Trump didn't win public vote).

---If you think Trump won by "luck" or "chance", you're wrong. Donald Trump won because of prayer and because there are more Christians in this country than not. That says something and we need to continue to pray for our nation the way we have been and "America will be great again".--
 
It happens again and again, but as most people only have a 50–100 year historical perspective they don’t see that it’s happening again. As the events that led to the First World War unfolded, there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong, that the web of treaties across Europe could lead to a war, but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit, and Trump are dismissed now.

Then after the War to end all Wars, we went and had another one. Again, for a historian it was quite predictable. Lead people to feel they have lost control of their country and destiny, people look for scapegoats, a charismatic leader captures the popular mood, and singles out that scapegoat. He talks in rhetoric that has no detail, and drums up anger and hatred. Soon the masses start to move as one, without any logic driving their actions, and the whole becomes unstoppable.
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One archeologists opinion that we're headed towards something big and bad.

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/his...ext-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.8lacpg1wd
 
So within the span of 24 hours, Trump is chatting with Bill Clinton on the phone and claims he was very impressed with Obama. Can't make this up.
 
berbatrick said:
That's the state I live in, and this is the city
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You can but hope that this is a short-term display. They''ll feed off the adverse reaction of course, but ultimately many of these are the bullying sort and will hopefully keep to themselves again in time. Certainly such is my expectation for the extremists roused by Brexit. Yet with the regularity of police related deaths in recent years, there was already an ample amount of division.

I do think you raised a good point in another thread, about the branch of government at which people should be focusing their anger. It's as if they don't realise what Congress is up to.
 
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Raoul said:
So within the span of 24 hours, Trump is chatting with Bill Clinton on the phone and claims he was very impressed with Obama. Can't make this up.
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If the rumours about the former banker, oil exec and GOP old wigs being his cabinet at true, his anti-establishment backing will surely take a massive whack, and with any luck delegitimize him in the voters eyes quite early on. Hopefully spends all his political capital before doing something horrible.
 
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If true, "moderate Trump" may be a little far fetched.
 
Raoul said:
You can only go with what information you have. I think the big mistake people are making is actually to take the things he said during the campaign literally as if he is going to implement every extemporaneous quip he made over the past 18 months. People say whatever they need to, to get elected. Once they have power, they are forced to behave more pragmatically - because A: they gain access to far more information than they previously had, and B: they realize that cooperation with others is critical to actually accomplishing things (and conversely, lack of flexibility is a great recipe for gridlock). Trump likes to do deals, and he will need to cooperate with others to do them, which entails a degree of compromise and cooperation.
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I agree with that. I think Trump is very much a moderate. Many of his outlandish statements were designed to get the support of right wing conservatives and he was successful but I fully expect him to move towards the middle (and maybe occasionally left of middle) in his decision making.
 
"Moderate" Trump optimism should die with his possible cabinet appointments. Plus his #2 is as far right as they come and he has a Republican House and Senate.
 
Red Dreams said:
Trump pushing for infrastructure spending will help him find common ground.
Good start.
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And guess what - Infrastructure spending is a very Bill/Hillary Clinton type spending policy that is considered pretty progressive. Not a very Tea Party way to start things off.
 
berbatrick said:
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Yeah, the hateful comments need to be hung around his neck from the start. Outrage at them should not be merely a campaign tool, the people he's targeted need to be defended and supported. I get it from Obama, he has a constitutional role to fill. From Bezos it looks like cowardice.
 
Raoul said:
And guess what - Infrastructure spending is a very Bill/Hillary Clinton type spending policy that is considered pretty progressive. Not a very Tea Party way to start things off.
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Exactly. He's also talked about inner city investment which sounds like a certain current POTUS.
 
Raoul said:
And guess what - Infrastructure spending is a very Bill/Hillary Clinton type spending policy that is considered pretty progressive. Not a very Tea Party way to start things off.
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He was pushing it in the primaries. Nothing wrong with agreeing on such things. Bernie has also offered to work with him.

Hillary and the DNC ignored blue color voters. That and NAFTA resulted on their little revenge. And here we are.

He said during the primaries. You are looking at the New Republican party. He is arrogant. Now he has power. He is not simply going to listen to the old GOP.

I think he will develop a good relationship with the outgoing President who he will seek council from...not Bush.
 
Fecking hell, can't believe we're actually back to this debate.
 
I can't believe infrastructure spending is actually being pushed a left wing idea. Spending on infrastructure is a really easy way to get jobs happening. Look at Japan, building shit for the sake of building shit is a huge part of keeping their economy afloat.
 
Swaters16 said:
I can't believe infrastructure spending is actually being pushed a left wing idea. Spending on infrastructure is a really easy way to get jobs happening. Look at Japan, building shit for the sake of building shit is a huge part of keeping their economy afloat.
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Spending in general, other than on defense, is considered liberal.
 
utdalltheway said:
You have to love white Americans; like they have the monopoly on "legal" immigration. If you ask the native Americans I doubt they'd agree any immigration was legal.
Also, the Spanish & Mexicans were in Florida and most of the western US before the whites arrived. So, in my mind it's immigration going full circle; the Mexicans were all over the western US, and now they're just coming back again ;) - leaving out for a minute that the native populations are never coming back to their pre-Columbian numbers.
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Spanish are whites
 
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