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The ACLU commenting on Trump:

This morning, Donald J. Trump was elected the 45th president of the United States, and the ACLU has a message for him.

President-elect Trump, as you assume the nation’s highest office, we urge you to reconsider and change course on certain campaign promises you have made. These include your plan to amass a deportation force to remove 11 million undocumented immigrants; ban the entry of Muslims into our country and aggressively surveil them; punish women for accessing abortion; reauthorize waterboarding and other forms of torture; and change our nation’s libel laws and restrict freedom of expression.

These proposals are not simply un-American and wrong-headed, they are unlawful and unconstitutional. They violate the First, Fourth, Fifth, Eighth, and 14th Amendments. If you do not reverse course and instead endeavor to make these campaign promises a reality, you will have to contend with the full firepower of the ACLU at every step. Our staff of litigators and activists in every state, thousands of volunteers and millions of card-carrying members and supporters are ready to fight against any encroachment on our cherished freedoms and rights.

One thing is certain: We will be eternally vigilant every single day of your presidency. And when you leave the Oval Office, we will do the same with your successor as we have done throughout our nearly 100 years of existence. The Constitution and the rule of law are stronger than any one person, and we will see to that. We will never waver.
 
Depends on your age and the type of healthcare you have. I've got PPO insurance through my work and am paying roughly $50/month. Low premium but a high deductible, which is the way to go if you rarely see a doctor.
What do you consider a high deductible amount?
 
Depends on your age and the type of healthcare you have. I've got PPO insurance through my work and am paying roughly $50/month. Low premium but a high deductible, which is the way to go if you rarely see a doctor.

Good choice. I pay about 250 dollars a month for a family of 3, with a 1500 dollar deductible. At worst, including premiums, I'll spend around 4500 in premiums, 1500 in deductible (including copay and other fees) and another 1500 in medical contribution. In total, that's 7500 per year. Doesn't include Dental. I also put a 1000 dollar FSA plan pre tax cover the deductible.
 


There they are, like a gaggle of walking condoms, and the other half is probably at home getting some interracial lovin.
 
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Steve Bannon being considered for Chief of Staff.Wonder what Anne Coulter is being considered for.
 
Didn't he had more black and latino votes than Romney in the last election? Hillary even failed to win women's vote massively. This racist talk is nonsense to me. It's scare tactics to try and create a more divisive state.

A lot of his voters came from the same people who voted for Obama, and was let down by his politics. Or failed to go for both and went to another option.

To reduce his electorate to dumb, racist white supremacist voter is just poor form, in my opinion. As is branding him simply as a misogynist, racist, fascist evil businessman.

Politics are way more intricate than "We want 'Merica back".
I never said anything about his other voters. I specifically referred to why the KKK was supporting him. They favored him because of what he was preaching.
 
I doubt they would try and repeal Roe v Wade, that'll set off a lot of protests in blue states. Instead of that, Amendments like Hyde and Helms will be passed effectively restricting abortions. If you like in a blue state, you have access to it, but not in a red state.
fecking serves them right for voting in Trump.
 
Didn't he had more black and latino votes than Romney in the last election? Hillary even failed to win women's vote massively. This racist talk is nonsense to me. It's scare tactics to try and create a more divisive state.

A lot of his voters came from the same people who voted for Obama, and was let down by his politics. Or failed to go for both and went to another option.

To reduce his electorate to dumb, racist white supremacist voter is just poor form, in my opinion. As is branding him simply as a misogynist, racist, fascist evil businessman.

Politics are way more intricate than "We want 'Merica back".

He did more than enough to brand himself as that.
 
The city went for her 78-20, is majority black and has a fairly liberal university at its centre. Hopefully it's some lone person's hidden frustration and not something larger.
 
He did more than enough to brand himself as that.
you're not exactly wrong, but I think MSM went overboard in exaggerating his follies in order to try to make him look worse than he is.

I mean, comparing him to someone who actually killed 6 million people an started a second world war isn't exactly a good comparison regardless of how racist trump is. and an exaggerated comparison that a lot of people here lapped up and used against trump supporters as well in branding them racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic, whatever-phobic, etc. which has probably increased the turnout of the silent majority.
 
you're not exactly wrong, but I think MSM went overboard in exaggerating his follies in order to try to make him look worse than he is.

I mean, comparing him to someone who actually killed 6 million people an started a second world war isn't exactly a good comparison regardless of how racist trump is. and an exaggerated comparison that a lot of people here lapped up and used against trump supporters as well in branding them racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic, whatever-phobic, etc. which has probably increased the turnout of the silent majority.

Turnout decreased from the previous election :confused:
 
you're not exactly wrong, but I think MSM went overboard in exaggerating his follies in order to try to make him look worse than he is.

I mean, comparing him to someone who actually killed 6 million people an started a second world war isn't exactly a good comparison regardless of how racist trump is. and an exaggerated comparison that a lot of people here lapped up and used against trump supporters as well in branding them racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic, whatever-phobic, etc. which has probably increased the turnout of the silent majority.

Well we know now the bolded did not really happen. I do think the Hitler comparisons were over the top but, I am not going to ignore the fact that he spent the entire campaign promoting hate speech.
 
but I think MSM went overboard in exaggerating his follies in order to try to make him look worse than he is.

I don't think they went remotely close enough to showing the man he really is. Especially not during the primaries when they loved him and only ran positive reports and articles on him.
 
Some of the reaction :lol: (mainly on twitter to be fair)
Hope he smashes it - maybe even flukes like a Middle East peace agreement and comes out a hero, it'd be hilarious!
 
You never know. Sometimes a 'great' president does little more than ride a wave and get people behind him. There is a decent chance of such a wave coming too, certainly economically and perhaps even in the Middle East and with Russia.

My feeling, though, is that Trump is actually quite inept and will not even manage this.
 
I hope he is a great president. I'm just not optimistic about it at all.
I have solace because he's a businessman at his essence and therefore by nature a problem solver and a black/white 'get things done' type guy.
 
I have solace because he's a businessman at his essence and therefore by nature a problem solver and a black/white 'get things done' type guy.
The flip side of that is what happens if he's utterly pragmatic and abandons all the things he promised his electorate

For me, him doing that and being a good president would be hilarious... Maybe just not for the same reason as it would be for you
 
Some of the reaction :lol: (mainly on twitter to be fair)
Hope he smashes it - maybe even flukes like a Middle East peace agreement and comes out a hero, it'd be hilarious!

The irony is, if it goes tits up most of posters here won't find happiness in saying 'I told you so' to you. Yea well, we'll find out soon enough.
 


The key of the Obama machine wasn't, after all, his appeal to minorities and younglings, it was his appeal to white voters outside Appalachia. Who'd have thought.

EDIT - And you can actually see the Bill Clinton effect! In Arkansas.
 
you're not exactly wrong, but I think MSM went overboard in exaggerating his follies in order to try to make him look worse than he is.

I mean, comparing him to someone who actually killed 6 million people an started a second world war isn't exactly a good comparison regardless of how racist trump is. and an exaggerated comparison that a lot of people here lapped up and used against trump supporters as well in branding them racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic, whatever-phobic, etc. which has probably increased the turnout of the silent majority.

Hitler didn't actually kill 6 million people if we're being that picky.
 
Still can't believe that he's going to be in office. However his election campaign to get to this stage was absolutely phenomenal.

I'm not a trump supporter, but rather an admirer of his achievements of disarming the opposition and amounting his own defences to protect himself from the media and all those that opposed him to win.

He simplified himself to appease the majority that voted for him. His lack of political background a great weapon.

I would also consider him smarter than Hillary. Imagine if Hillary had the whole world against her, she would crumble In a second. With Trump he actually turned everyone's hatred and used it against them, his admirers loved him for that and people started to stand up for his realistic nature and so the votes came pouring in.

You don't become the president if you are dumb, you must have qualities that make you unique. Trump's was the master manipulator, appeasing himself to his demographic so much that so support was almost unconditional.

Hillary's main quality was the "I'm not the bad guy" look. A quality that meant she was never going to win the election as the bad guy soon made her to look like the fool.

However, Trump made some missteps in his campaign. Sometimes his outlandish views went too far, almost jeopardizing the campaign.

Although this happened, why I think he is so smart is that he made himself look like he was going to win, and not, at the same time. Let me explain.

If Trump looked serious to the public eye then the media really would've began to take Trump so seriously from the start that he would've been shut down instantly, e.g. The pussy video, that only appeared once it was fully realized that the man was becoming president.

However, his first batch of supporters were mostly southern Americans with a lack of an educated background that bought into Trump's image. The media did pick this up, but simply thought it was just 'rednecks' getting a bit giddy over a man that made them relatable. However what they didn't understand was not only were "rednecks" supporting Trump but also the average male white man of America, they simply dismissed these people as average southern men but it was much much broader than that.

I have no idea how well he will do when he starts his presidency but I do know this. The guy is smart, manipulative, and a bigger threat than you would think. He's not a silly face. He's not a comedian that makes funny statements. But he's a realist. This leads me to believing that he will get any job done at any cost, which could have positive or negative effects for America in the long term.
 
I have solace because he's a businessman at his essence and therefore by nature a problem solver and a black/white 'get things done' type guy.

He is not a good businessman though. Most of his business ventures have failed. He is successful as a property magnate which (sorry) anyone with good starting capital can be.
 
He is not a good businessman though. Most of his business ventures have failed. He is successful as a property magnate which (sorry) anyone with good starting capital can be.
Easy to just say....
 
He is not a good businessman though. Most of his business ventures have failed. He is successful as a property magnate which (sorry) anyone with good starting capital can be.

Yep, I'd argue his success in recent years has been based much, much more in his celebrity appeal and status as opposed to business nous.
 
Easy to just say....

What does this mean? I am not just saying it, it is indisputably true. Start me off with a few million and hand over some real estate in New York in the 70s to me and I would be fabulously wealthy now even if I was totally incompetent in most of my dealings, as incidentally a number of people who worked closely with Trump for years have stated about him.
 
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