The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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sammsky1 said:
So what you're saying is that USA will essentially run a mobster like protection racket in smaller countries across the globe:

you must take USA military protection in exchange for favourable USA trading terms. If you don't accept this offer, Don Donaldinio will grab your President's wife's pussy, sharing the image as a gif on twitter.
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exactly.

He's already doing something similar with the UK. Sure he wants to make a trade deal with the country BUT, America first, he wants jobs to come back to the US, he wants to play golf with the queen and he can't understand why they have yet not given a great job to his best mate Nigel. Surely his Maggie can be a good sport and sort it out
 
MTF said:
Yes, but they don't pay for it. And even if in ways they do by filling part of the budget of certain joint bases and exercises, the point is that because it was never posed to the European public as "pay or I go", but rather "we stand together" the funding of these initiatives has hardly ever been a point of significant political contention.
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I think things will change very fast now. Either they pay out or dance to their tune or the US will pull out leaving the EU vulnerable from Putin. Don't forget that the US had just lost its ally within the EU who used to veto everything that was not in the US interest (EU army etc). They need someone ready to fill the gap and they need it quickly.

I believe this will test the EU resolve of having to sort things quickly. The temptation for countries to playing to Trump's tune will be big especially those who are very close to the Russian borders. However if Europe truly wants to be independent then it must be able to defend its borders without the need of third countries like the UK and the US.
 
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The "joke" about his kid and the size of the inauguration crowd are distractions.

Mind you, Spicer, Trump and Conway are going to provide lots of fodder for comedians and I'm good with that so long as the big stuff gets talked about too.
 
langster said:
BTW, if anyone thought that The Moron was insecure and had thin skin, well check out his newly appointed Minister of Propaganda.



Un-feckin-believable. What a pair these two douches make. FFS!
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Just a wild guess, lang, but, considering he's got thousands of followers, I'd say that was a joke. :smirk:
 
langster said:
BTW, if anyone thought that The Moron was insecure and had thin skin, well check out his newly appointed Minister of Propaganda.



Un-feckin-believable. What a pair these two douches make. FFS!
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For heaven's sake langster, that was a joke!! He's being sarcastic. He has thousands of followers. Someone must have commented that they would be unfollowing him because of something he must have tweeted. So he posted that in response as a joke. What is wrong with some people in this thread?
 
Nikhil said:
For heaven's sake langster, that was a joke!! He's being sarcastic. He has thousands of followers. Someone must have commented that they would be unfollowing him because of something he must have tweeted. So he posted that in response as a joke. What is wrong with some people in this thread?
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It was nearly 4 years ago when he had virtually no followers.
 
Nikhil said:
For heaven's sake langster, that was a joke!! He's being sarcastic. He has thousands of followers. Someone must have commented that they would be unfollowing him because of something he must have tweeted. So he posted that in response as a joke. What is wrong with some people in this thread?
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They've chosen a side and convinced themselves that ideologically they are morally and intellectually superior to all those on the 'opposing' side. They would like to demonstrate this supposed superiority to others but don't realise how silly & naive they look.
 
Borden said:
One more crack at this then:

1. I repeat, we all agree the joke was inappropriate. Kids should be off limits.
2. Trump voters have been complaining about PC liberals ("snowflakes") for months/years, and their collective outrage and hysteria at all politically incorrect statements made by Trump and others.
3. Now that a liberal has made a politically incorrect joke about "one of their own", Trump voters collectively lose their shit and call for her to be sacked.
4. DiseaseOfTheAge and others are simply pointing out the hypocrisy of this - though not excusing the joke itself.

And yes, let's get some perspective. It was a bad and inappropriate joke made by a comedy writer. Nothing more. Nobody died. Comedy can be a tricky business sometimes, and comedians occasionally step over the line. She realized her error and apologized. Case should be closed.
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Thanks for the mature response.

My point over this whole issue was to point out the severity of the joke, and that in future, it would be best to avoid bringing poor kids into such disputes.

I completely agree about the hypocrisy, but that doesn't make the outrage unjustified. Especially as this isn't coming from some low brow organisation, but a 40 plus years institution. That is why she is being held to to much higher standards.

That was my point all along. Until out of the blue this descended into me being a conservative snowflake.

For me the issue of mass shooting and kids is simply far too sensitive especially on the back of Sandy Hook, where basically nothing was done in the aftermath. To use such issues for cheap point scoring on the internet is just crass imo, no matter who does it.
 
Danny1982 said:
That probably means that you're morally superior but doesn't mean you're smarter or intellectually superior.
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I don't think he ever went bankrupt multiple times either or got given a small business loan of 1 million dollars and lost most of it ending up with less than he would have done if he just put it in a bank account.
 
antihenry said:
Well, he has managed to become US president. What have you accomplished with your superior intellect so far?
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So basically anyone in a position of power is smarter and more accomplished than everyone else, so you can't question them.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.d8d436a01373

Trump turned on the television to see a jarring juxtaposition — massive demonstrations around the globe protesting his day-old presidency and footage of the sparser crowd at his inauguration, with large patches of white empty space on the Mall.

As his press secretary, Sean Spicer, was still unpacking boxes in his spacious new West Wing office, Trump grew increasingly and visibly enraged.

Pundits were dissing his turnout. The National Park Service had retweeted a photo unfavorably comparing the size of his inauguration crowd with the one that attended Barack Obama’s swearing-in ceremony in 2009. A journalist had misreported that Trump had removed the bust of Martin Luther King Jr. from the Oval Office. And celebrities at the protests were denouncing the new commander in chief — Madonna even called for “blowing up the White House.”

Trump’s advisers suggested that he could push back in a simple tweet. Thomas J. Barrack Jr., a Trump confidant and the chairman of the Presidential Inaugural Committee, offered to deliver a statement addressing the crowd size.

But Trump was adamant, aides said. Over the objections of his aides and advisers — who urged him to focus on policy and the broader goals of his presidency — the new president issued a decree: He wanted a fiery public response, and he wanted it to come from his press secretary.

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Many critics thought Spicer went too far and compromised his integrity. But in Trump’s mind, Spicer’s attack on the news media was not forceful enough. The president was also bothered that the spokesman read, at times haltingly, from a printed statement.

Trump has been resentful, even furious, at what he views as the media’s failure to reflect the magnitude of his achievements, and he feels demoralized that the public’s perception of his presidency so far does not necessarily align with his own sense of accomplishment.

On Monday, Spicer returned to the lectern, crisply dressed and appearing more comfortable as he parried questions from the press corps.

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Trump watched Sunday as Conway sparred with NBC’s Chuck Todd on “Meet the Press.” Some Trump allies were unsettled by her performance, but not the president, according to one official. He called Vice President Pence to rave about how she handled questions from Todd, whom Trump mocked on Twitter as “Sleepy Eyes,” and called Conway to offer his congratulations. Trump was perturbed that the media focused on two words from Conway’s interview: “alternative facts.”
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Zarlak said:
I don't think he ever went bankrupt multiple times either or got given a small business loan of 1 million dollars and lost most of it ending up with less than he would have done if he just put it in a bank account.
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What you're missing is that the current fact we have at hand now is that he won against you (resoundingly). Even 'proving' that he's a moron doesn't put you in a better light compared to him, because you still lost to him. Treating him like a clueless idiot has only hurt you, and will hurt you even more now that you lost to him.

kps88 said:
So basically anyone in a position of power is smarter and more accomplished than everyone else, so you can't question them.
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No, but it's stupid to mock the intelligence of somebody who has just beaten you. You might not realize this because of how strongly you feel about him and how biased this place is, but for anybody who doesn't feel as strongly as you about him, it doesn't really make much sense.

However you're absolutely entitled to question his actions. Actually that is what you should be doing.
 
antihenry said:
Well, he has managed to become US president. What have you accomplished with your superior intellect so far?
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You mistake intelligence with being born into privilege. History have shown countless of people getting into the most powerful office in a country without being intelligent. Plenty of Roman emperors were absolute stupid but got the office due family wealth and social connections.
 
Danny1982 said:
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What you're missing is that the current fact we have at hand now is that he won against you (resoundingly). Even 'proving' that he's a moron doesn't put you in a better light compared to him, because you still lost to him. Treating him like a clueless idiot has only hurt you, and will hurt you even more now that you lost to him.
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I didn't lose to anyone? I'm not sure what your point is. You seem to be saying that once you assume a position of power then you can't ever legitimately criticise them and that this means somehow they are very intelligent or moral?
 
Danny1982 said:
No, but it's stupid to mock the intelligence of somebody who has just beaten you. You might not realize this because of how strongly you feel about him and how biased this place is, but for anybody who doesn't feel as strongly as you about him, it doesn't really make much sense.

However you're absolutely entitled to question his actions. Actually that is what you should be doing.
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You make it sound like I ran against him and he bested me. It's entirely reasonable to question his intelligence. Not all politicians or people in power have to be intelligent.
 
Pexbo said:
Can you imagine what goes on behind closed doors?
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Well we've got some hints from what Ivana told his biographer and testified during their divorce.

After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon. “Your fecking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried. What followed was a “violent assault” Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.

“Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified… It is a violent assault,” Hurt writes. “According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, ‘he raped me.’”

Following the incident, Ivana ran upstairs, hid behind a locked door, and remained there “crying for the rest of night.” When she returned to the master bedroom in the morning, he was there. “As she looks in horror at the ripped-out hair scattered all over the bed, he glares at her and asks with menacing casualness: ‘Does it hurt?’”
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Zarlak said:
I didn't lose to anyone? I'm not sure what your point is. You seem to be saying that once you assume a position of power then you can't ever legitimately criticise them and that this means somehow they are very intelligent or moral?
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I literally said questioning his actions is what you should be doing. And I was clearly not talking about the moral aspect. There is no need to add to what I said which was very specific and clear. He has just won against your 'more qualified, more intelligent' and far more heavily supported kandidate. You can call him 'evil', but stupid?

kps88 said:
You make it sound like I ran against him and he bested me. It's entirely reasonable to question his intelligence. Not all politicians or people in power have to be intelligent.
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"It doesn't take much to be intellectually superior to Trump and his ilk.". The whole democratic party (which I assume most support here) was intellectually inferior to him.

Besides the issue is not really how much both of you would score in a hypothetical IQ test. He just won the elections against all odds, when pretty much everybody was against him. Calling him stupid and mocking his intellectual ability immediately afterwards just doesn't make any sense.
 
Danny1982 said:
I literally said questioning his actions is what you should be doing. And I was clearly not talking about the moral aspect. There is no need to add to what I said which was very specific and clear. He has just won against your 'more qualified, more intelligent' and far more heavily supported kandidate. You can call him 'evil', but stupid?
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Yes, yes you can. It is possible to be stupid and win. I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand. His winning is not tied to his intelligence. Also I am not American so nobody is 'my' candidate.
 
Zarlak said:
Yes, yes you can. It is possible to be stupid and win. I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand. His winning is not tied to his intelligence. Also I am not American so nobody is 'my' candidate.
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Which is a pity really. I'd be all in favour of some kind of souped up IQ test instead of an election. The smartest candidate always wins. Although you'd have to find a way to knock points off for being evil.

Eithe way, Trump wouldn't stand a fecking chance.
 
Pexbo said:
Can you imagine what goes on behind closed doors?
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Speculation similar to this is the problem. And has led to comments such as this

I don’t like the man at all but some of the ridiculous stories being spun about this or that is really terrible. And how people cannot see how one sided the media is, is crazy. Yet the moment fox news dare to be complimentary they get abuse.
 
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