The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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VorZakone said:
Sources? All I've heard is people 'hearing' from other people that the allegations are legit.
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Conjecture, unverified allegations, paranoid conspiracies fueling both the liberals, cuckservatives, and Trump-ets. What a time to be alive.
 
Raoul said:
What sort of difference were you hoping for ? Watching Trump led away in shackles ?
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It would be nice.

I just get the feeling this whole Trump presidency has been manufactured to happen and thus, any incriminating evidence of wrongdoing always seems to get swept under the carpet pretty quickly.

He could literally give North Korea control of your nukes and it'd wash off him, such is the lack of care about what an insane, unqualified, thin-skinned individual he really is.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
If you are doing this, do it right.
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Missed insult opportunities are the worst.

Raoul said:
Fortunately we have the wisdom of Glenn Greenwald to liberate us towards the truth.
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You could also consider the 2-decade long Kremlin critic Masha Gessen...but no matter. Goldfinger and Blofeld could learn a thing or two from Putin's trans-continental mind games, reducing Europe and the US to Kevin Keegan.
 
Bernie's got the balance about right.

“You gotta walk and chew bubble gum [at the same time],” said Sanders. “Russian intervention into an American election is of some significance. But the nominees we’re opposing, we’re opposing on issues like health care, the environment, education. What we’re trying to do is show the Republicans that it would be great political mistake to repeal the Affordable Care Act.”

All the Dems and left-leaning journos I follow have been focusing on all of the above as well, not just Russia.
 
VorZakone said:
Trump being friendly with Russia because of business interests/connections seems more likely to me rather than him actually being blackmailed. I don't believe all these allegations until they're fully confirmed.
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And that's fair enough. The shit sounds fcukin crazy! Let's see how this unfolds... But there is definitely no smoke without some kind of fire here.
 
Ubik said:
Bernie's got the balance about right.

“You gotta walk and chew bubble gum [at the same time],” said Sanders. “Russian intervention into an American election is of some significance. But the nominees we’re opposing, we’re opposing on issues like health care, the environment, education. What we’re trying to do is show the Republicans that it would be great political mistake to repeal the Affordable Care Act.”

All the Dems and left-leaning journos I follow have been focusing on all of the above as well, not just Russia.
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They need to keep hitting the Russian stuff but also attack on Obama care (20m people to lose coverage) as well as the idiocy of a Mexican funded wall. Collectively, all three are winning issues for the Dems.
 
Raoul said:
Edit. I actually think the Dems should start referring to the wall as a racist monument.

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:lol: I bet The Moron is also gutted that VFQ often gets more likes and more retweets than anything he posts himself. I hope someone points that out to him as well, you can just tell that's the type of shit that really winds him up and goes around and around in his head pissing him off all day.
 
Raoul said:
They need to keep hitting the Russian stuff but also attack on Obama care (20m people to lose coverage) as well as the idiocy of a Mexican funded wall. Collectively, all three are winning issues for the Dems.
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In fairness I'm not sure they are winning issues for the Democrats otherwise they would have like... you know... sorta... won
 
sun_tzu said:
In fairness I'm not sure they are winning issues for the Democrats otherwise they would have like... you know... sorta... won
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Trump didn't win on any of those issues - he won on blue collar votes in the rust belt (ie jobs), in addition to Comey and the Russian shenanigans, and of course Hillary's mistake of ignoring the northern states.

No rational American irrespective of party wants to lose their healthcare and nearly all Dems and most independents aren't beholden to getting a Mexico funded wall.

He is currently polling at 33% among independents (down from 46%) so if the Dems keep pushing the right buttons on policy, the Russia issue and Trump's idiocy will completely erode his public support before he even takes office.
 
Reports that both the Israeli and British intelligence services will restrict sensitive information shared with a Trump-led intelligence service for fear of information falling into Russian hands.
 
Oscie said:
Reports that both the Israeli and British intelligence services will restrict sensitive information shared with a Trump-led intelligence service for fear of information falling into Russian hands.
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Yep, just saw this.

 
I really witness or at least I was born when the events happened like Kennedy assassination, color tv, man walking in the moon, Berlin Wall coming down, USSR, iPhone, 9/11, first black president and now a president which I hope he really does good but cannot keep his mouth and twitter off....what a journey!
 
Ubik said:
Bernie's got the balance about right.

“You gotta walk and chew bubble gum [at the same time],” said Sanders. “Russian intervention into an American election is of some significance. But the nominees we’re opposing, we’re opposing on issues like health care, the environment, education. What we’re trying to do is show the Republicans that it would be great political mistake to repeal the Affordable Care Act.”

All the Dems and left-leaning journos I follow have been focusing on all of the above as well, not just Russia.
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I agree with him (surprise surprise :p ), some of the stuff I've been saying in this thread are due to frustration about how awful things are happening with no comment here because everyone is looking at the Russian monster. I think the fact that Cory Booker voted against a cheaper-medicines deal that fecking Ted Cruz supported should have been bigger news. Or the dialogue on the nature of truth that was the Tillerson nomination.
 
Raoul said:
No rational American irrespective of party wants to lose their healthcare
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Nope, you are quite right there, but the trouble is so many are so poorly educated about the healthcare system and the coverage they actually receive. Too many are also of the opinion "i'm alright Jack, feck everyone else" meaning they are convinced that UHC means paying for scroungers or a poorer service. They don't actually understand that it could actually mean a better service, and also a cheaper one. I've seen numerous people arguing that they wanted ObamaCare repealed as long as they can still keep the ACA. There is so much misinformation around and the Republicans make it their business to confuse about healthcare, unfortunately too many people fall for the bullshit they are selling. Quite how you can solve this, I don't know, I just hope it can be sorted because as I have said countless times, a country cannot call itself civilised if it doesn't offer a decent health service to ALL of its citizens no matter how rich or poor they might be. It's upsetting to see so many people have their lives destroyed simply because of greed, I personally don't know how any of the insurance companies can live with themselves.
 
B..b.b.b.b.bbbb..bbbut he's such a clever and successful businessman.... :rolleyes:



An absolute disgrace and yet another in a long line of his scams and the hard working people he has used and ripped off or not paid.
 
Raoul said:
They need to keep hitting the Russian stuff but also attack on Obama care (20m people to lose coverage) as well as the idiocy of a Mexican funded wall. Collectively, all three are winning issues for the Dems.
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Isn't this the reason why he was voted President? plus banning Muslims as well. Nothing is going to happen until those red States people start losing their welfare checks and medical benefits, then shite will hit the fan. Trump could come and declare that he is a Russian spy and nothing will happen until then.
 
ghagua said:
Isn't this the reason why he was voted President? plus banning Muslims as well. Nothing is going to happen until those red States people start losing their welfare checks and medical benefits, then shite will hit the fan. Trump could come and declare that he is a Russian spy and nothing will happen until then.
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Its a bit complicated - a lot of people that voted for Trump were independents who were neutral or negative on Trump's rhetoric about a wall, banning Muslims, or repealing Obamacare. Those are actually core right wing/tea party type positions that are represented by a very small percentage of the voting population. The majority of voters who didn't vote for Trump are obviously against them and the large swath of independents who voted for Trump are probably also not passionate about them - they are interested in jobs/economics etc.
 
The Moron Elect is getting absolutely slammed left right and centre on Twitter at the moment. He's getting battered over his comments about John Lewis, especially because it's MLK Weekend. He's getting massive amounts of shit for taking away peoples health insurance and he's also getting hammered over the Putin/Russian links, especially because he announced today that his first meeting with a foreign leader after he takes office will be going to meet Putin. On top of all this, in the last couple of hours even more Representatives and Senators have said they will not be attending his inauguration. He's also being attacked by the human rights watch and the UK and Israel have both said that they will limit sharing intelligence with the USA because they don't trust the Moron and they think he has been compromised and any info they share will be leaked to Russia and Putin.

If all that wasn't bad enough some more lawsuits have been filed against him and his company, one senator is asking for him to be arrested for treason and his comments about moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem is being heavily criticised because of the obvious dangers involved in such a move. And on top of all that one of his advisors Michael Flynn is facing intense scrutiny for apparently holding five separate phone conversations with a Russian envoy on the day Obama imposed more sanctions on Russia, as @Raoul has posted, this could be a breach of the Logan Act.

Nothing could come from any of this, or maybe not much could, but the point is is this is all the main stories all over social media and in many press publications from around the world. Not one positive story to be found and much of this is breaking and developing by the hour, especially the number of people pulling out of attending his inauguration. Even for him this amount of negative press and attention is pretty shocking, surely he can't keep this up? This really isn't good for him or for the country, it's just scandal after scandal after scandal, and the more links you click on the more replies you find from people saying they voted for him and wished they hadn't. I can't recall ever seeing this amount of negative stories about anyone, ever, in my entire life. The sheer amount of stuff on him is absolutely unbelievable, I honestly cant see how this can go on for much longer, I really can't.
 
berbatrick said:
I think the fact that Cory Booker voted against a cheaper-medicines deal that fecking Ted Cruz supported should have been bigger news.
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Hysteria over that is a bit overblown-

Booker, like all senators, voted to protect his home state’s interests
The irony of this backlash is that it actually doesn’t make a lot of sense to see Booker’s vote on the pharmaceutical amendment as a direct result of the money that’s been poured into his campaign war chest.

Instead, the much simpler explanation is that Booker was following the predictable, longstanding pattern of elected officials to try to protect the jobs and industries that dominate their home states.

“Almost any member of Congress from New Jersey — either a senator or House member, no matter how liberal or conservative — will be fiercely protective defense of pharmaceutical industry,” says Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers University.

Just compare the vote totals with the industry’s contributions. The senator who received the most money from the pharmaceutical industry since 2010 is Arizona Republican John McCain, who received $1.2 million in campaign contributions. McCain voted for the Sanders-Klobuchar amendment. Pharma has donated $800,000 to Iowa Republican Chuck Grassley — who also voted for the amendment.

Similarly, the Democrat who has received the most from the pharmaceutical companies, according to OpenSecrets, is Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. But Schumer, like McCain, also voted in favor of the Sanders-Klobuchar amendment. Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden has received more than $600,000 from pharmaceutical companies — more than three times that received by Booker — and also backed the amendment. (So did Ohio’s Sherrod Brown, who received two times as many donations as Booker.)

The pharmaceutical industry has a “massive” presence in New Jersey, Baker says. It’s almost unheard of for a New Jersey politician to go against pharmaceutical companies — it’d be like a politician from Maine arguing for onerous new regulations on fisheries, or an Iowa Republican voting against ethanol subsidies.

The vote on the pharmaceutical amendment alone shows that the phenomenon is hardly limited to Booker. Washington state Sens. Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell — among the more progressive members of the caucus — voted against the proposal.

Meanwhile, Democratic moderates like Michigan’s Gary Peters and Virginia’s Tim Kaine voted for it. Peters and Kaine are hardly more “progressive” than Murray and Cantwell — but they represent states that do not host a heavy concentration of pharmaceutical companies.
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http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/14/14262732/cory-booker-senate-democrats
 
Those "donation" amounts listed in the above article are sickening. $1.2 million for McCain in less than 7 years by just 1 industry :rolleyes:
 
unchanged_lineup said:
I fully realise as I type how ridiculous this question is, but what are the odds on a Trump apology to Lewis? Such a dumb thing to say "all talk and no action".
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He's a spoilt brat that has spent his entire life being "right" and apologising to nobody.
 
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