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Cheesy said:
Very much so. I'm fine with the US wanting EU countries to pay their 2%, but to spring it on us all suddenly, without acknowledgement that the current agreement has suited the US down to the ground and hasn't screwed them over in the slightest is a dick move.
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Spring it on you all of a sudden? Did the U.S. dictate this or have NATO members agreed to it?

Discussions about how European nations and the U.S. should split the cost of European defense are not even a new issue. Been aware of them since the 70's and they are probably older than that.
 
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GhastlyHun said:
I find the longevity of the russia-Trump connection a bit hard to believe. 5 years back noone could possibly have believed that Trump would have ANY political significance, let alone become potus.

It's still F*CKING UNBELIEVABLE
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I think this has been a long term strategy for Putin ever since the last Russian in 2011 where Hillary questioned its legitimacy. Putin has been funding and developing all sorts of Eurosceptic politicians and organizations as a means to undermine Russia policy on those places. I'd imagine Trump is one of several people who have been cultivated in the US.
 
GhastlyHun said:
I find the longevity of the russia-Trump connection a bit hard to believe. 5 years back noone could possibly have believed that Trump would have ANY political significance, let alone become potus.

It's still F*CKING UNBELIEVABLE
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Well the relationships goes back longer than 5 years just for business interests. It just might be it was the Russians that had the idea of pushing him as high up the US policital spectrum as he wanted to shoot for.

At this point I'm finding it really hard not to believe he isn't just a Russian puppet. Literally everything he does and says is in the interests of Russia before anyone else. I don't think he could possibly be more pro-Russia if he tried. There is a million internal things he needs to organise in the US, yet his priority list seems to be mostly about helping Russia first.
 
Raoul said:
I think this has been a long term strategy for Putin ever since the last Russian in 2011 where Hillary questioned its legitimacy. Putin has been funding and developing all sorts of Eurosceptic politicians and organizations as a means to undermine Russia policy on those places. I'd imagine Trump is one of several people who have been cultivated in the US.
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Aye and lets face it, we all know what sort of moral and ethical standards Putin lives by, we know how Russia is and always has been experts in propaganda and subterfuge. It would be ridiculous to think Putin wouldn't be trying these things.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Really thought this guy would be totally uneventful and that he would just breeze along in his new role and take the easy way out, which would have been the sensible option.

But the guy really can't help himself, can he? One of the biggest narcissists I've ever seen.
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What about his history would compel you to believe he would do the sensible thing?
 
Its also interesting that 2011/12 was the timeframe that Trump was fully vested in pushing birtherism. Coincidence ?

Obama completely obliterated him during the WH correspondents dinner that year - so maybe this was seen as an opportunity by the Russians to cultivate someone sympathetic to them.

April 2011:



Then look what transpired within the following 12 months:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/16/donald_trump_s_birther_tweets_in_order.html
 
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GhastlyHun said:
I find the longevity of the russia-Trump connection a bit hard to believe. 5 years back noone could possibly have believed that Trump would have ANY political significance, let alone become potus.

It's still F*CKING UNBELIEVABLE
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Russia has been known for targeting people in many walks of life, not just future presidents, for as long as I can remember...and that's going some. Trump has let it be known in the past that he fancied running for POTUS but he never seemed to get round to it. Regardless of that though his high profile/contacts as a businessman would have highlighted him as someone who may be of use to them in the future and a psychological profile of him would probably have shown that he was a prime candidate for blackmail. It's not remotely surprising to me that he has been flagged by some security elements as a Russian agent, but I would be very surprised if I found out that the Russians hadn't taken advantage of such a sitting duck as Trump.
 
Raoul said:
Its also interesting that 2011/12 was the timeframe that Trump was fully vested in pushing birtherism. Coincidence ?

Obama completely obliterated him during the WH correspondents dinner that year - so maybe this was seen as an opportunity by the Russians to cultivate someone sympathetic to them.

April 2011:



Then look what transpired within the following 12 months:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/16/donald_trump_s_birther_tweets_in_order.html
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Exactly the day when he decided to run for the presidency, maybe ? Then he would be blathering about it to Putin on one of his business trips to Moscow.
 
Raoul said:
Its also interesting that 2011/12 was the timeframe that Trump was fully vested in pushing birtherism. Coincidence ?

Obama completely obliterated him during the WH correspondents dinner that year - so maybe this was seen as an opportunity by the Russians to cultivate someone sympathetic to them.

April 2011:



Then look what transpired within the following 12 months:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/16/donald_trump_s_birther_tweets_in_order.html
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It is said that the WH correspondents dinner was one of the catalysts for Trumps inclination to run for Office.
 
Nah, he'd been teasing about a run for months prior to that. It just made him chicken out of going up against Obama.
 
GhastlyHun said:
I find the longevity of the russia-Trump connection a bit hard to believe. 5 years back noone could possibly have believed that Trump would have ANY political significance, let alone become potus.

It's still F*CKING UNBELIEVABLE
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Trump ran a Presidential campaign in 2000, seeking nomination from the Reform Party. Reading about it, there's virtually no criticism of Russia (while he freely criticised many nations).
Ironic quote from that campaign:
Donald Trump said:
"So the Reform Party now includes a Klansman—Mr. Duke, a Neo-Nazi—Mr. Buchanan, and a Communist—Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000
 
I'm not buying that Trump is blackmailed by Russia. I find it hard to believe that the CIA (who would know this) would allow Trump to run for presidency if he was being used by Russia. There are some very fishy things going on, definitely, but Trump being some sort of Russian agent isn't one of them IMO.
 
VorZakone said:
I'm not buying that Trump is blackmailed by Russia. I find it hard to believe that the CIA (who would know this) would allow Trump to run for presidency if he was being used by Russia. There are some very fishy things going on, definitely, but Trump being some sort of Russian agent isn't one of them IMO.
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Yes, why not invent all sorts of stuff that you think happened instead.
 
“Trump and various politicians in Europe seek power through appeals to racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and nativism. They all claim that the public accepts violations of human rights as supposedly necessary to secure jobs, avoid cultural change, or prevent terrorist attacks. In fact, disregard for human rights offers the likeliest route to tyranny,” Roth wrote.

Human Rights Watch is a global nonprofit, nongovernment group that does research and reports on human rights conditions in 90 countries.

Its new report analyzed the U.S. election as well as politics across Europe.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...hts-org-lists-trump-as-threat-to-human-rights
 
Raoul said:
Yes, why not invent all sorts of stuff that you think happened instead.
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Trump being friendly with Russia because of business interests/connections seems more likely to me rather than him actually being blackmailed. I don't believe all these allegations until they're fully confirmed.
 
VorZakone said:
I'm not buying that Trump is blackmailed by Russia. I find it hard to believe that the CIA (who would know this) would allow Trump to run for presidency if he was being used by Russia. There are some very fishy things going on, definitely, but Trump being some sort of Russian agent isn't one of them IMO.
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It was another country's intelligence agency that first picked up and flagged Russia's hacking in the USA to the CIA. If they had to be told about that then maybe they suspected Trump but just hadn't got the evidence they needed to be able to act.
 
VorZakone said:
Trump being friendly with Russia because of business interests/connections seems more likely to me rather than him actually being blackmailed. I don't believe all these allegations until they're fully confirmed.
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The business interests are inclusive in the cultivation.

Also, there's nothing to confirm as Trump and Putin will obviously never admit that they colluded to win the US election, so this is just a lazy device to move the goal posts.
 
Raoul said:
The business interests are inclusive in the cultivation.

Also, there's nothing to confirm as Trump and Putin will obviously never admit that they colluded to win the US election, so this is just a lazy device to move the goal posts.
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They won't but the FBI/CIA can.
 
Raoul said:
Have you been hibernating on an asteroid over the past two weeks ? 17 Intel agencies have already confirmed this.
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Sources? All I've heard is people 'hearing' from other people that the allegations are legit.
 
Raoul said:
Its also interesting that 2011/12 was the timeframe that Trump was fully vested in pushing birtherism. Coincidence ?

Obama completely obliterated him during the WH correspondents dinner that year - so maybe this was seen as an opportunity by the Russians to cultivate someone sympathetic to them.

April 2011:



Then look what transpired within the following 12 months:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/16/donald_trump_s_birther_tweets_in_order.html
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I absolutely adore Obama, he's a real idol for me but that really was savage. He destroys him there to a point where it's actually not surprising that Trump has beef with him (although I realise it was started by Trump and that's his just desserts). Watching that clip though you get a real sense of "and a super villain was born".
 
Pexbo said:
I absolutely adore Obama, he's a real idol for me but that really was savage. He destroys him there to a point where it's actually not surprising that Trump has beef with him (although I realise it was started by Trump and that's his just desserts). Watching that clip though you get a real sense of "and a super villain was born".
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The complete and utter belittlement of a narcissist before a global audience. It was a work of art.

You can just feel Trump's blood boiling in humiliation.
 
Raoul said:
The complete and utter belittlement of a narcissist before a global audience. It was a work of art.

You can just feel Trump's blood boiling in humiliation.
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His friends on his table laughing at him.

"DELETE THEM FROM THE CHRISTMAS LIST"

"AND THE CHARITY DINNERS"

"AND TELL CARL HE CAN GIVE HIS GOLF PASS BACK"

"I'M FINE"
 
There's always an alternative scenario. Maybe the FBI/CIA have known about this "relationship" between Putin and Trump for a while. Maybe they have been using Trump in the same way as Russia have been using him.....maybe the reasoning for leaving him as POTUS is so that through him they can monitor Russian activity and also feed them false info.

Maybe the Donald is a double agent.
 
Blodssvik said:
America are already serial violators of human rights. Workers rights, healthcare system, criminal justice system to name a few issues. Probably one of the reasons they accept someone like Trump.
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Red Defence said:
There's always an alternative scenario. Maybe the FBI/CIA have known about this "relationship" between Putin and Trump for a while. Maybe they have been using Trump in the same way as Russia have been using him.....maybe the reasoning for leaving him as POTUS is so that through him they can monitor Russian activity and also feed them false info.

Maybe the Donald is a double agent.
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And Putin wouldn't figure this out? :D
 
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