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barros said:
probably UK has a stronger navy and
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:lol: Maybe 30 years ago, not now. My 10 year old has more toy warships than the Royal Navy has real ones. We actually have planes with no aircraft carriers to put them on. On top of that I think you need to do some research on the Chinese Military because I think like your assumptions of the Royal Navy, you are 30 years out of date with your info of the Chinese military.

They aren't the points to be worried about anyway, nor are they the questions that need to be asked, especially by the US public. More pertinent questions would be, Why is The Moron so cosy with Russia and Putin? What does he have personally against China? and Why does he want to continuously agitate and goad the Chinese? China isn't the big bad ogre it's being made out to be anyway, The Moron is trying to make China hated in the US like Russia was 20 years ago, and in my opinion, that's a very dangerous game to be playing.
 
Kentonio said:
You're basicaclly describing the China of 10-20 years ago. Todays China has extremely high level technology including some the US doesn't (such as their advanced anti-ship missile systems). As for the number of warheads they have, we don't actually know but even if the estimate of 'only' 260 is true, that's more than enough to wipe out most major population centres on earth.

The problem with trying to assert military power over China is that although in a worldwide conflict the US has more than the capability to win a direct conflict, in reality any conflict would have the goals of either protecting Taiwan or pushing back Chinese intentions in the South China Sea. Those conflicts would be right on China's doorstep, and are exactly what they have tailored their military to deal with. Trying to militarily restrain China just outside China's own borders would be close to impossible even if America was allowed full access to airbases and staging sites in Japan, Korea, Vietnam etc.
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Pretty much agree with that... I'd also say I think many other countries would be reluctant to be used as staging sites because the longer term ramifications for relationships with a key regional player are probably not great
 
The Trump Russia links were being talked about for a long time before intelligence staff were talking to the press about it. This "the left is going against democracy" is a essentially a variation of the "we won, so feck off" argument. You could talk about confirmation bias and all that, but it's not antidemocratic to think Trump is Putins lapdog.
 
Flynn called the Russian Ambassador. If they discussed lifting of sanctions it may be a violation of the Logan Act.

 
langster said:
:lol: Maybe 30 years ago, not now. My 10 year old has more toy warships than the Royal Navy has real ones. We actually have planes with no aircraft carriers to put them on. On top of that I think you need to do some research on the Chinese Military because I think like your assumptions of the Royal Navy, you are 30 years out of date with your info of the Chinese military.

They aren't the points to be worried about anyway, nor are they the questions that need to be asked, especially by the US public. More pertinent questions would be, Why is The Moron so cosy with Russia and Putin? What does he have personally against China? and Why does he want to continuously agitate and goad the Chinese? China isn't the big bad ogre it's being made out to be anyway, The Moron is trying to make China hated in the US like Russia was 20 years ago, and in my opinion, that's a very dangerous game to be playing.
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A problem like this has been on the cards for some years now so it was bound to come to a head with whichever president was in the White House. While it's nothing exclusively to do with Trump, I'd say, he'll have his own decisions to make about how to deal with it. I think it's more to do with a rising super power challenging a dominant super power. First of all in the back yard then with time with a more expansionary policy.Something's gotta give, as they say.
 
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jackofalltrades said:
A problem like this has been on the cards for some years now so it was bound to come to a head with whichever president was in the White House. While it's nothing exclusively to do with Trump, I'd say, he'll have his own decisions to make about how to deal with it. I think it's more to do with a rising super power challenging a dominant super power. First of all in the back yard then with time with a more expansionary policy.Something's gotta give, as they say.
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What exactly has come to a head? There has been tensions in the South China Sea for a long time, I'm not aware of anything significant escalating in the last few months? Trump hasn't even been inaugurated yet and he is going out of his way to cosy up to Russia and antagonise China. He's not responding to any event, it is as if he has an an agenda and time is a factor.
 
Simbo said:
What exactly has come to a head? There has been tensions in the South China Sea for a long time, I'm not aware of anything significant escalating in the last few months? Trump hasn't even been inaugurated yet and he is going out of his way to cosy up to Russia and antagonise China. He's not responding to any event, it is as if he has an an agenda and time is a factor.
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Are you referring to the Chinese or the US ? As I also said the tension has been there for some years but the immediate causes are the disputed islands such as the Scarborough Shoal and the threat of increased tariffs on Chinese goods imported to the US. In fact, for some in the US military, the Scarborough Shoal should have been the red line for them. There have been various incidents as well, the kind of thing which is interpreted as a test of the resolve of the other side, mild "provocations" and so on. Plus warnings from China about who controls these sea lanes.

The Chinese newspaper Global Times has said something like " Tillerson had better bone up on nuclear strategy if he wants to force a power out of its own territories". This is because Tillerson has hinted that the US should or could block the South China Sea.

That's a significant change in tone. But my main point is that there's a conflict of interests here, a collision of imperialisms, let's say.
 
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Will Absolute said:
A massive binge where the rich, the famous and the powerful can dress up, hobnob, sexually liaise and consume vast quantities of caviar and champagne, all at taxpayers expense...
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Otherwise known as society.
 
jackofalltrades said:
Are you referring to the Chinese or the US ? As I also said the tension has been there for some years but the immediate causes are the disputed islands such as the Scarborough Shoal and the threat of increased tariffs on Chinese goods imported to the US. In fact, for some in the US military, the Scarborough Shoal should have been the red line for them. There have been various incidents as well, the kind of thing which is interpreted as a test of the resolve of the other side, mild "provocations" and so on. Plus warnings from China about who controls these sea lanes.

The Chinese newspaper Global Times has said something like " Tillerson had better bone up on nuclear strategy if he wants to force a power out of its own territories". This is because Tillerson has hinted that the US should or could block the South China Sea.

That's a significant change in tone. But my main point is that there's a conflict of interests here, a collision of imperialisms, let's say.
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I'm referring to any escalation in general, I know this is a growing issue that is only will come to a head at some point. What I'm getting at is that there is no apparent reason for the new administration have provoking China as one of their priorities, they aren't even in the job yet, they have a million things to sort out internally first.

Perhaps it is a sign of intent and they want their present known quickly. Perhaps they are just trying to draw attention off other matters and give the media something to talk about. It just seems very odd to me, especially when Trumps policies are supposedly nationalistic.
 
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How independent are the IC of the White House?

Is there a bit of a race against time to get things clear before Trump gets in?

I'm picturing a reshuffle with yes men getting key roles within the FBI and CIA and the threat of budget cuts...
 
I may be imagining things, but does Trump have an enormous stack of "person of the year" edition Time magazines on his desk in this photo?

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Pexbo said:
How independent are the IC of the White House?

Is there a bit of a race against time to get things clear before Trump gets in?

I'm picturing a reshuffle with yes men getting key roles within the FBI and CIA and the threat of budget cuts...
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This wouldn't be the IC doing the investigating - it would be the Senate Intelligence committee which are obviously completely independent of the WH.
 
Ubik said:
I may be imagining things, but does Trump have an enormous stack of "person of the year" edition Time magazines on his desk in this photo?

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Nice spot, but of course he does. Some are so he can continuously wank over them (you can see the box of tissues directly behind him), or piss over them (you never know with this perverted goon) and I expect the rest are to give to all his visitors as gifts. That sums up the narcissistic feckshaft perfectly.

BTW, Look to the front right of the desk (as we look at it) there are more copies under the picture frame and I think there are some more under the large stack of papers sat right beside the Moron. It has been reported numerous times that each day he gets copies of countless different newspapers and magazines from around the world and he spends entire mornings sifting through them just looking for pictures or articles about him. We have all seen what happens when he finds ones he doesn't like or agree with, SAD!
 
Raoul said:
This wouldn't be the IC doing the investigating - it would be the Senate Intelligence committee which are obviously completely independent of the WH.
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That's good news then, I've just read the full statement. It's full of intent, as others have said, the IC are clearly holding onto some strong evidence of his ties with Russia (which the senate have seen) and it sounds like they now know exactly how to go after him.

Could they get a subpoena on his tax returns or could he just plead the fifth?
 
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There's something fishy going on. I get the sneaking suspicion the Senate have been briefed on something new that involves contacts between Trump's campaign and the Russians, hence the new investigation.
 
langster said:
Republican John Lewis from Georgia (:lol: Not the store) has just said he feels that the Russians participated in helping The Moron get elected. He also said he doesn't feel The Moron is a "legitimate President" He's also not going to attend the inauguration.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...mp-not-legitimate-president-article-1.2945826

Ouch!
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The God Emperor being elected was enough to make Civil Rights icon John Lewis change party affiliation.

Blacks do love Trump!
 
Raoul said:
There's something fishy going on. I get the sneaking suspicion the Senate have been briefed on something new that involves contacts between Trump's campaign and the Russians, hence the new investigation.
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That's what I got from Burr's sudden change of position.
 
Raoul said:
There's something fishy going on. I get the sneaking suspicion the Senate have been briefed on something new that involves contacts between Trump's campaign and the Russians, hence the new investigation.
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Pexbo said:
That's what I got from Burr's sudden change of position.
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I agree, but why the feck has it taken so long? Why wasn't any of this done back in October? Why has it all come out now, or is coming out now? And why was it allowed to get so far? Rick Wilson who alluded to big stories coming out about the Moron has recently said that the Russian info was one of the stories he was alluding to before the election. Easy to say that after the fact, but I think he was right because apparently this has all been common knowledge in many circles for months. So again, why has it taken so long? And what else is there to come?
 
Seems like something has been going on with people protecting Trump for some reason.

However, say security sources, Mr Steele became increasingly frustrated that the FBI was failing to take action on the intelligence from others as well as him. He came to believe there was a cover-up, that a cabal within the Bureau blocked a thorough inquiry into Mr Trump, focusing instead on the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-hacking-christopher-steele-mi6-a7526901.html
 
langster said:
I agree, but why the feck has it taken so long? Why wasn't any of this done back in October? Why has it all come out now, or is coming out now? And why was it allowed to get so far? Rick Wilson who alluded to big stories coming out about the Moron has recently said that the Russian info was one of the stories he was alluding to before the election. Easy to say that after the fact, but I think he was right because apparently this has all been common knowledge in many circles for months. So again, why has it taken so long? And what else is there to come?
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My guess is that it's the sort of thing you need to dot every single i, cross every single t and cover every single legal requirement so when it comes down to it the case it completely water tight. The last thing you want to do is rush this through and realise you hadn't got enough to bring charges.
 
You'd imagine Rubio on the committee is going to be reasonably keen to lay some dirt on Trump :lol: Interesting to see how Kamala Harris does as well.
 
Pexbo said:
My guess is that it's the sort of thing you need to dot every single i, cross every single t and cover every single legal requirement so when it comes down to it the case it completely water tight. The last thing you want to do is rush this through and realise you hadn't got enough to bring charges.
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Yeah, I can see that for sure. It still doesn't explain how it was all allowed to get so far though, I think the investigation in to the FBI may reveal lots more. It definitely seems as if there was a cover up and a movement to discredit Hillary over anyone else. I still can't understand why his mental health hasn't been questioned? It's clear to most people he's mentally unstable. Also, there are other alleged tapes out there other than the Russian ones. The Apprentice edits for a start. There certainly seems to be a massive can of worms just waiting to be opened. However, each time I get my hopes up he seems to find a way to squirm out of it. He's been doing that his entire life, but even more so over the last 18 months.

I just hope this time, as you say, the i's are dotted and t's are crossed. I want to see him completely destroyed, penniless, broke financially and mentally and completely trashed and humiliated in the court of public opinion and especially on his beloved Twitter. It's nothing less than he deserves and it's something he has done to literally thousands of other people. It really is time he was stopped before he causes irreversible damage. He's already started with the destruction of Obamacare, he needs to be stopped before he destroys anymore lives because of his arrogance, narcissism and feckwittery.
 
langster said:
Yeah, I can see that for sure. It still doesn't explain how it was all allowed to get so far though, I think the investigation in to the FBI may reveal lots more. It definitely seems as if there was a cover up and a movement to discredit Hillary over anyone else. I still can't understand why his mental health hasn't been questioned? It's clear to most people he's mentally unstable. Also, there are other alleged tapes out there other than the Russian ones. The Apprentice edits for a start. There certainly seems to be a massive can of worms just waiting to be opened. However, each time I get my hopes up he seems to find a way to squirm out of it. He's been doing that his entire life, but even more so over the last 18 months.

I just hope this time, as you say, the i's are dotted and t's are crossed. I want to see him completely destroyed, penniless, broke financially and mentally and completely trashed and humiliated in the court of public opinion and especially on his beloved Twitter. It's nothing less than he deserves and it's something he has done to literally thousands of other people. It really is time he was stopped before he causes irreversible damage. He's already started with the destruction of Obamacare, he needs to be stopped before he destroys anymore lives because of his arrogance, narcissism and feckwittery.
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If the investigation doesn't ruin him then either his health (with the stress of it all) will stop him in his tracks or someone will pop him off. He's prime material for the latter two.
 
I doubt his supporters would care much about anything that be leaked in an attempt to discredit him.

If we were to go back in time 5 years, Trump would be described as a LAD. It's the whole reason he was elected. For crying out loud, even pussy-gate did nothing to hamper him.
 
Red Defence said:
If the investigations doesn't ruin him then either his health (with the stress of it all) will stop him in his tracks or someone will pop him off. He's prime material for the latter two.
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I thought he was the fittest and healthiest person to ever run for President? That's what his Doctor said anyway. Oh, and he said it numerous times too. But I don't want him to suffer physically, that's too easy for him, I think public humiliation, complete bankruptcy and falling from grace to become a figure of worldwide ridicule (even though he already is) would be a fitting punishment for him. I wouldn't be upset seeing him in an Orange jumpsuit either, although he would then technically be invisible.
 
If there is anything to this then the knives will be out among GOP Senators. Just remember all the people Trump pissed off during the campaign - Rubio, Cruz, Graham, McCain, Flake, Sasse, etc. He has very little leverage over them now that the campaign is over and there are no elections ahead, so if he is found to have done something wrong you can bet the house they will have no second thoughts about getting rid of him and allowing Pence to take over.
 
Raoul said:
If there is anything to this then the knives will be out among GOP Senators. Just remember all the people Trump pissed off during the campaign - Rubio, Cruz, Graham, McCain, Flake, Sasse, etc. He has very little leverage over them now that the campaign is over and there are no elections ahead, so if he is found to have done something wrong you can bet the house they will have no second thoughts about getting rid of him and allowing Pence to take over.
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Let's not forget the 17 intelligence agencies. He has really pissed them off too, surely that's a YUGE mistake? Not to mention extremely dangerous.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-intelligence-analysis-idUKKBN14X2BR

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-russia-idUKKBN14X1ZS
 
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