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Its behind a paywall so I am not sure Obama gave his opinions in an editorial/commentary or was part of the leaked audio conversation?
It was WSJ's editorial on Obama's leaked comments calling it shocking

The opening parra should be enough flavour
'Barack Obama is a lawyer, so it was stunning to read that he ventured into the Michael Flynn case in a way that misstated the supposed crime and ignored the history of his own Administration in targeting Mr. Flynn. Since the former President chose to offer his legal views when he didn’t need to, we wonder what he’s really worried about. '
 
It was WSJ's editorial on Obama's leaked comments calling it shocking

The opening parra should be enough flavour
'Barack Obama is a lawyer, so it was stunning to read that he ventured into the Michael Flynn case in a way that misstated the supposed crime and ignored the history of his own Administration in targeting Mr. Flynn. Since the former President chose to offer his legal views when he didn’t need to, we wonder what he’s really worried about. '

Mountain out of molehill then or WSJ trying to seed some ideas early. It was a private convo.
 
WSJ's editorial side has been firmly on the Trump team since the beginning, they'll follow the playbook.
 
Its behind a paywall so I am not sure Obama gave his opinions in an editorial/commentary or was part of the leaked audio conversation?

Barack Obama is a lawyer, so it was stunning to read that he ventured into the Michael Flynn case in a way that misstated the supposed crime and ignored the history of his own Administration in targeting Mr. Flynn. Since the former President chose to offer his legal views when he didn’t need to, we wonder what he’s really worried about.

“There is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free,” Mr. Obama said in the Friday call to about 3,000 members of the Obama Alumni Association. The comments were leaked to Yahoo News and confirmed by Mr. Obama’s spokeswoman to the Washington Post and other outlets. Mr. Obama added: “That’s the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic—not just institutional norms—but our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk. And when you start moving in those directions, it can accelerate pretty quickly as we’ve seen in other places.”

Even discounting for Mr. Obama’s partisan audience, this gets the case willfully wrong. Mr. Flynn was never charged with perjury, which is lying under oath in a legal proceeding. Mr. Flynn pleaded guilty to a single count of lying to the FBI in a meeting at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 that he was led to believe was a friendly chat among colleagues.

As for “scot-free,” that better applies to former President Bill Clinton who lied under oath in a civil case and was impeached for perjury but was acquitted by the Senate. We understand why Mr. Obama wouldn’t bring that up.



We doubt Mr. Obama has even read Thursday’s Justice Department motion to drop the Flynn prosecution. If he does ever read it, he’ll find disconcerting facts that certainly do raise doubts about whether “our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk,” though not for the reasons he claims.

Start with prosecutorial violation of the Brady rule, which Mr. Obama knows is a legal obligation that the prosecution must turn over potentially exculpatory evidence to the defense. Yet prosecutors led by special counsel Robert Mueller didn’t disclose that the interviewing FBI agents at the time didn’t think that Mr. Flynn had lied about a phone call with the Russian ambassador.

Worst of all, as a legal matter, is that they never told Mr. Flynn that there was no investigative evidentiary basis to justify the interview. The FBI had already concluded there was no evidence that Mr. Flynn had colluded with Russia in the 2016 election and had moved to close the case. James Comey’s FBI cronies used the news of Mr. Flynn’s phone call with the Russian ambassador as an excuse to interview the then national security adviser and perhaps trap him into a lie.

All of this was moved along politically by leaks to the media about Mr. Flynn’s phone call with the Russian. The U.S. eavesdrops on foreign officials as a routine, but names of innocent Americans on those calls are supposed to be shielded from review to protect their privacy. Yet senior Obama officials have had to acknowledge that they “unmasked” Mr. Flynn’s name and others in their last months in power. Then, what a surprise, news of Mr. Flynn’s call and its contents pop up in the Washington Post. Did someone say “institutional norms”?

All of this raises questions about the role the Obama Justice Department and White House played in targeting Mr. Flynn. We already know the FBI had opened up a counterintelligence probe into Mr. Flynn and other Trump campaign officials, yet it had come up with no evidence of collusion.

Donald Trump’s victory increased the chances that this unprecedented spying on a political opponent would be uncovered, which would have been politically embarrassing at the very least. Targeting Mr. Flynn—and flogging the discredited Steele dossier—kept the Russia collusion pot boiling and evolved into the two-year Mueller investigation that turned up no evidence of collusion.

This among other things is what U.S. Attorney John Durham is investigating at the request of Attorney General William Barr. Maybe that’s why Mr. Obama is so eager to distort the truth of the Flynn prosecution.
 
Obama will crush him which is exactly the reason he's now hitting back. He's fecking petrified that 44 may now come to the democratic party and tear him to pieces on his presidency.

People say what they want about the effectiveness of Obama's presidency, but his communication skills are 10x what Trump thinks his are.

I'm not sure if its constitutional, but I would laugh my tits off if Obama runs as Biden's running mate in the next Federal election.

That comparision honestly does not do it justice. The gigantic difference in rhetorical skill between the two is just astounding and has always been the one point that boggled my mind when it came to the US public accepting Trump as POTUS.

A lot of Obamas policies fell short and that is partly his own responsibility, but it can´t be denied that the guy is an impeccable public speaker. The way he breaks down complex topics without sounding patronizing, the really smooth flow of his speeches that keep its quality even when he goes off script, the really effective way he uses tonal shifts to grab attention... The guy is just really good at what he does. One of the best I have seen in my lifetime, probably the best to hold this office since JFK.

Then you have Trump, who is quite frankly a chore to listen to even as a non native speaker. Constant repitiion of words, absolutely no structure and glaring grammatical errors. Live translations in German news actually cut at least half the words he says to make his ramblings comprehensible. If you read written transcriptes of his spoken words, you can´t decide if they are by a grade schooler who is in danger of having to repeat a class or an old man suffering from dementia.

That would be all bad enough of its own, but the contrast to Obama makes it even more bloody obvious how unfit he is for his office. There have been a lot of racist, sexist, corrupt bastards in the world who came into political power or are still holding it, but I can´t think of a single one who is as pathtetic at selling it as Trump.
 
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I wonder what the law would say if he got in your face and you smacked him one. Does potential lethal virus transmission count as threatening with deadly force?
If my understanding of USA USA law is up to date, then if the commie smacked the patriot it is illegal but if he shot him then it's hunky dory.
 
That comparision honestly does not do it justice. The gigantic difference in rhetorical skill between the two is just astounding and has always been the one point that boggled my mind when it came to the US public accepting Trump as POTUS.

A lot of Obamas policies fell short and that is partly his own responsibility, but it can´t be denied that the guy is an impeccable public speaker. The way he breaks down complex topics without sounding patronizing, the really smooth flow of his speeches that keep its quality even when he goes off script, the really effective way he uses tonal shifts to grab attention... The guy is just really good at what he does. One of the best I have seen in my lifetime, probably the best to hold this office since JFK.

Then you have Trump, who is quite frankly a chore to listen to even as a non native speaker. Constant repitiion of words, absolutely no structure and glaring grammatical errors. Live translations in German news actually cut at least half the words he says to make his ramblings comprehensible. If you read written transcriptes of his spoken words, you can´t decide if they are by a grade schooler who is in danger of having to repeat a class or an old man suffering from dementia.

That would be all bad enough of its own, but the contrast to Obama makes it even more bloody obvious how unfit he is for his office. There have been a lot of racist, sexist, corrupt bastards in the world who came into political power or are still holding it, but I can´t think of a single one who is as pathtetic at selling it as Trump.
Expect something of the lines coming shortly :
"I was in a car shop in Bumshart, Nebrahoma and all the mechanics were saying how Raprock Obuma totally owned President Trump by speaking intelligently and not repeating words".
 
What the feck does ethnic mean? She's a Jew from Florida he's a Jew from California.
Eh, isn't ethnic the word you describe none white people with?

If not, I mean't erm, well, the word you should use to describe that with.
 
Another reason to love Donnie: was listening to the Michael Lewis podcast about 'referees' in life, in an episode about judges, he was articulating about how US judges are by design pretty anonymous. They're not allowed to speak about rulings, they're supposed to keep a low profile and so forth - it's what enables to them to their jobs properly.

Cue Donnie naming and calling out every judge that (correctly) rules against him - which is forcing them into protective custody, and maybe worse - causing prosecutors and defense lawyers to question their impartiality. Once you do that, it's not far down a road to people refusing to adhere to a judge's ruling. Once that happens...well I don't know. It's bad.

All the talk of Obama - and pretty much every other President in modern times - all of them at least understood that they have a responsibility to uphold the order of law. Trump would destroy it by breakfast if it meant he made $5, and f*ck the consequences.
 
That comparision honestly does not do it justice. The gigantic difference in rhetorical skill between the two is just astounding and has always been the one point that boggled my mind when it came to the US public accepting Trump as POTUS.

A lot of Obamas policies fell short and that is partly his own responsibility, but it can´t be denied that the guy is an impeccable public speaker. The way he breaks down complex topics without sounding patronizing, the really smooth flow of his speeches that keep its quality even when he goes off script, the really effective way he uses tonal shifts to grab attention... The guy is just really good at what he does. One of the best I have seen in my lifetime, probably the best to hold this office since JFK.

Then you have Trump, who is quite frankly a chore to listen to even as a non native speaker. Constant repitiion of words, absolutely no structure and glaring grammatical errors. Live translations in German news actually cut at least half the words he says to make his ramblings comprehensible. If you read written transcriptes of his spoken words, you can´t decide if they are by a grade schooler who is in danger of having to repeat a class or an old man suffering from dementia.

That would be all bad enough of its own, but the contrast to Obama makes it even more bloody obvious how unfit he is for his office. There have been a lot of racist, sexist, corrupt bastards in the world who came into political power or are still holding it, but I can´t think of a single one who is as pathtetic at selling it as Trump.

Bang on.
 
The most dishonest politicians in the world.


The difference between now and the recovery from the last financial crash is that there's a Republican in the white house. Last time Republicans could strange help getting to normal Americans and knew that Obama would end up taking the blame from people not paying much attention and just seeing their lives suck. This time its Trump that will suffer politically as people at home suffer.
 
The most dishonest politicians in the world.

Now that the Trumpet is coming towards the end of his term and the GOP looks like losing the Senate as well as the House they decide to become concerned about the deficit again. Hypocrisy at it's worst.
 
Now that the Trumpet is coming towards the end of his term and the GOP looks like losing the Senate as well as the House they decide to become concerned about the deficit again. Hypocrisy at it's worst.
Yep, pretty much this. I'm normally on the fiscally conservative side of the debate, but this is a scenario where I'm utterly unconcerned with the size of the deficit as long as it is spent effectively to keep conditions better for an eventual return to normal levels of GDP. I'm upset that fiscal deficits have been run for so long since after the great recession and further increased by the 2017 tax cuts. But in terms of forward policy I find it utterly irrelevant how large the deficit already is at this point. Economically any society should be trying to build a funding bridge between the present and the future. The only institution that can carry that size of debt are the governments, so the government it must be. It will have to be paid for in the future in the form of higher taxes and/or lower spending, but we need to first ensure that we have the means (GDP) to do so in the future.
 
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I'd put this in the corona thread but they discuss exactly what you talked about here:




Also this seems like an open goal:

 
It's still wildly up in the air, but apparently Democrats are up in 5 of the races they need to flip the senate. They flip those they take it back.

https://www.axios.com/senate-pollin...ina-500fc49e-53d1-4ee8-9193-a0ddc8cd960a.html

Worth noting incidentally that a couple of those are within MoE.
Surprisingly (at least according to the polls), it seems that the Democrats have a very good chance of getting 4 (if not 5) seats (and losing Alabama).

I’m sure they’ll find a way to Dem it up. Or even if they do get a majority in both houses and even the WH they’ll kill themselves trying to be bipartisan and achieve nothing meaningful.
 
I’m sure they’ll find a way to Dem it up. Or even if they do get a majority in both houses and even the WH they’ll kill themselves trying to be bipartisan and achieve nothing meaningful.

Yeah, that'd be my prediction too.

"The American people have spoken and swept away the Republicans at all levels, so now it's time to immediately forget everything they did, compromise on all our ideals, and create a perfect fertile ground for them to kick our asses in the midterms.."
 
Numbers are looking great :wenger:


On the day the US death toll will top 80,000. He has the best timing, lots of people say it. Actually he probably knows more about timing than anyone.

Oh, and the figure for likely death toll has been increased today too.... The best numbers!
 
what's Obamagate? Something to do with spying?

It’s the theory that the Obama administration along with its allies in the intelligence agencies set out to sabotage the Trump presidency with phony accusations and corrupt investigations into perfectly normal and legal actions relating to Russia.
 
The majority didn't. System sucks.

people have been saying this since his election as if its meaningful. The majority didnt, but the problem is that almost half of voters did. Even 1% of a nation backing him is scary to me.
 
The reporters need to start repeating the previous question when he does shit like that. Just hammer him over and over with the same question.
 
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