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Yeah, it's not an argument I've ever heard before. Obama won because he could turn people out to vote.

Yes. His ground game was exceptional and people were emotionally attached to his campaign.

Just by talking to people who actually vote. Don't read any polls or anything, this election proved what the polls are.

So we can ignore you then. Bye.
BTW, even though it was unlikely (30%), this was possible all the way and within the range of predicted outcomes. It's easy to dismiss polls just because they have been wrong, ignoring all the times they have been right. Also, I still think the polls were right. He just managed to mobilize the right people in the right states, Hillary didn't.
 
Trump didn't run as a conservative. He's nowhere near ideologically pure and I think you and your ilk are making a mistake in thinking you will get all that you want.

I know we won't get all we want, you never do, but we would have gotten a lot less iif Clinton had won.
 
Apparently, the American public surprised even the Trump internal polling. KellyAnne and team thought he may lose by 30 EVs.
 
No stopping Trump making America great again; the Repubs have the house, the senate, and the oval office. There can be no excuses (though I'll bet they'll find a lot!).
So, if it doesn't turn out well for the poor white folks that voted for him who can they & the Repubs blame?

The big problem is that whatever shit they serve up; it'll take the Democrats 4 - 6 years or more to clean it up again.
How long before he brings back slavery?
 
Just by talking to people who actually vote. Don't read any polls or anything, this election proved what the polls are.
yeah, except the last 2 polls were correct in picking Obama. This incessant need to rewrite history is mental.

Republican votes -

Bush - 50,456,002
Bush - 62,040,610
McCain - 59,948,323
Romney - 60,933,504
Trump - 59,265,360

- Bush got the evangelical AND a very good proportion of the Latino vote and still ended up with 62mil
- Romney had the Latino vote collapse and still got nearly 61mil
 
You think the public image and international relations of America has been damaged under Bush? This will be thrice as worse. That really is my biggest concern, that the translatlantic relationsship is done for for the foreseeable future.
Merkel just reminded Trunp that he has to respect democracy of free speach like you are some third world shithole. Diplomatically, that is the equivalent to a kick into the face. Our foreign Departement has been actively seeking third level Trump advisors because they don't want to work with anyone even remotely near him.

Most ironically, the deplorables just voted for their own doom if Trump gets his will with taxes and Obamacare. I couldn't care less, as far as I'm concerned the whole of West Virginia can die in a puddle of their own vomit, but the stupidity really is amazing.
Merkel is on her way out and is as much to blame for Trump's victory as anyone.
 
Such is the divide in not just ideals and agendas but generally to the core of how people fundamentally think and process information and make decisions is collossal so much so that it's got the point where it's incredibly difficult to comprehend the opposite side.
 
Apparently, the American public surprised even the Trump internal polling. KellyAnne and team thought he may lose by 30 EVs.
I wonder if things would have played out any differently if both teams had accurate polls and campaigned accordingly. Probably not.
 
Apparently, the American public surprised even the Trump internal polling. KellyAnne and team thought he may lose by 30 EVs.

Think the turnout was much lower than expected and that's what's threw off the polls and models.
 
Let’s look at the bright side of life: Krugmann is fuming. Negatives: Trump might push for policies that Krugmann loves. Positives: Krugmann will continue to sulk, because of partisanship.
I like krugmann.:(

Has this been posted? Saw in the Moments on twitter.



Millennial vote is basically unanimous.

Enough didn't turn up. Same with Brexit.
It's shitty that in most developed countries, elections are being decided by the declining part of the demographic because millennials won't turn up.
 
I am still amazed how much this election was about one party gaining power over the other one and what measures the losing party should/could take to gain that power back. It's like we are talking about 2 gangs. So little focus on genuine problems in the US and how to make life better for as many people as possible. I blame both parties for this.
 
I like krugmann.:(


Enough didn't turn up. Same with Brexit.
It's shitty that in most developed countries, elections are being decided by the declining part of the demographic because millennials won't turn up.

So nothing like Brexit then?
 
Not necessarily. Trump used Bannon to get what he wanted. Now that he has it, he isn't obliged to do anything for him. He may give him a post, or he may not.
Hope he doesn't. A divided country cannot afford officials like him.
 
Greens for sure, but any Gary Johnson supporters I know are at least as likely to break Republican as Democrat. Trump maybe a little different as he's not your typical Republican candidate, but still, I don't think third parties are to blame/credit for this.


Third parties aren't to blame ...the DNC lost the election for the democrats when they decided to sabotage Bernie for the establishment candidate
Its akin to if the GOP sabotaged Trump and had Jeb! run. People are sick of the establishment and the powers that be don't quite grasp that yet.
 
I like krugmann.:(


Enough didn't turn up. Same with Brexit.
It's shitty that in most developed countries, elections are being decided by the declining part of the demographic because millennials won't turn up.

Voter turn out in the presidency was terrible, but i'm sure the Brexit vote was a record turnout?

I could be wrong.
 
Obama is such a class act. He is going to be missed! The best US prez in my lifetime. Michelle Obama 2020!
 
No way. Unless he changes considerably, minorities will feck him in 2020. btw, there's still an open lawsuit against him. He may not even survive his first year of that one goes against him.

From what? The ambiguous nonsense he spouted lacking any details?

I have a hope that Donald's ego is so fecking big he won't want to be remembered as a shite president. Maybe I'm way off but I do think it's likely he'll slowly reel in those 'promises'. All presidents do to an extent.

I think he will get the wall though.
 
I am still amazed how much this election was about one party gaining power over the other one and what measures the losing party should/could take to gain that power back. It's like we are talking about 2 gangs. So little focus on genuine problems in the US and how to make life better for as many people as possible. I blame both parties for this.
I remember being teased by some friends for being a football fans because of how ridiculous is the tribalism of supporting a bunch of people because they happen to wear the right colour. I kept arguing that this human nature and that at least if we are going to be idiots, it's better than it's in football as it's relatively harmless. Needless to say, I have been feeling quite smug as of late.
 
Enough milennials.

But youth turnout during the referendum was comparable to the 65+ turnout.

“After correcting for over-reporting [people always say they vote more than they do], we found that the likely turnout of 18- to 24-year-olds was 70% – just 2.5% below the national average – and 67% for 25- to 29-year-olds.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/brexit-referendum-voters-survey

Problem wasn't so much that they didn't vote but that the 18-24 demographic is smaller than the 65+ one. 'Millennials' just got outgunned.
 
This feels so fecking surreal. A reality tv "star" being made POTUS. Anyone old enough to remember Reagan getting in? Did that feel anything like as weird?

He was a famous property magnate before being a reality TV star. And yes, people tried denigrating Regan because of his career in Hollywood, ignoring his time as governor of California.
 
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