The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated
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Indeed. Over here, polling stations accept seven forms of photo ID as proof of identity.
I'm assume then that the law differs from State to State?
Yes they do.
Hmmm....who holds the trump card (excuse the pun) between Federal and State law then?
It seems logical to me that the same rules should apply in every state; rules similar to those I already outlined.
You’re asking about what’s called the Elections Clause in the Constitution.
Here’s some background info/reading for you that explains the balancing act quite well...
https://constitutioncenter.org/inte...nterpretations/elections-clause-morley-tolson
Well played Trump. Even on a football forum you've caused us to fight each other.
4 D Chess indeed
Hmmm, phone your local council and register to vote. They search and check if you are eligible (Their fecking job) they send out a voting card just before election time (unless you have registered to vote by post then they send you the postal voting card)
You present said voting card at your designated local voting booth and they tick you off the list.
You vote.
Sorted.
Absolutely no need for taking I.D. or anything else. Your rights remain intact.
How and why can it be made to be so fecking difficult?
That's insanity 101.
You present said voting card at your designated local voting booth and they tick you off the list.
You vote.
Sorted.
Absolutely no need for taking I.D. or anything else. Your rights remain intact.
How and why can it be made to be so fecking difficult?
That's insanity 101.
Why this video is not...interesting-
Part1
Intro: "I'm here in Berkley California to find out if voter ID laws surpress the black vote"
The implication is that he is out to find evidence of whether the claim is true or not. But: What he actually does is he shock-stops people on the street with simplistic and vague questions regarding their opinions. We are never introduced to the people being interviewed or told whether they are qualified to give a researched or reasoned opinion.
Questions to the white people:
"Do you have an opinion on voter ID laws?"
"you can get ID over the internet, does that also make it difficult for black people..."
"harder for black people to go on line"
The white people answer in general that black people are less likely to have ID, that they are less likely to have access to the internet, are less informed and more likely to be barred due to convictions.
Perhaps there are some naive generalisations and an occasional patronising tone here but are their general views around the issue of if "ID laws surpress the black vote" wrong?
On black people being less likely to have ID:
I haven't done much research myself but the brief googling I did does seem to suggest that black people are less likely to carry identification. Here is a piece of research which I haven't vetted:
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/...ss-likely-than-other-texans-to-have-photo-id/
On black people being less likely to have access to computers and the internet:
Again not detailed research but the bits I could find tend to show that blacks and other non-whites are less likely to have good access to the internet:
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/internet_access_by_race.html
I'm sure we are all aware of the racial disparity in the US education system.
I'm sure we are all aware of the racial disparity in the US justice system.
Part2
"now I'm in East Harlem to ask black people about what you just heard"
So this is no longer a video about whether "voter ID laws surpress the black vote". It has become a video asking what black people think about the interviewer's interpretations of the answers given by white people on black vote surpression"
Queue non-diegetic goofy jazz riff:
"Do you have ID"
"Do you have any ID"
"I also heard a lot that black people can't figure out how to get to the DMV"
"And I also hear a lot that black people haven't got access to the internet, can't figure out how to use the internet"
"what does it say to you about the people who have that perception of black people"
etc.
The questions amount to a decietful and divisive manipulation of the actual answers, and also the spirit with which the answers were given. The perception implied within the questions was not the perception that was presented by the answers given by the white people.
"Would you have a problem showing you ID if you went to vote?"
"Would you have a problem if there was a rule about showing your ID?"
It had already been established that they would have no problem when he asked if they carried ID and they replied yes.
Conclusion
What you posted was a video that was falsely introduced and compiled in a manipulative way to pit one group of interviewees against another. It never even attempted to answer the introduction question of whether voter ID laws surpress the black vote.
It's a GOTCHA! video. It's Noel Edmonds crouched under a desk while Mr Blobby jerks his dick off in the back. If you liked the political discourse on show in the above video and you want more you should definitely check out old clips of Noel's House Party and Deal or No Deal on Youtube.
Out of interest, why did you think it was... interesting?
They will always have that advantage, I think. By definition, liberals will always have arguments about what is important, having a wide set of sometimes competing values. Conservative beliefs, on the other hand, are narrower and more settled.
For no other reason than they seem to challenge received opinions (the naive generalisations and patronising tones you refer to) on the issue. I didn't actively seek, or dig, them out for a 'Gotcha moment' either. They're the second and third relevant results on a 'voter ID' search on YouTube, after a John Oliver video.
Same here but that's why it should be easy to get one so that it's not even a problem. Should be at least 1 ID a person can get that is free of cost. Quick research tells me they all cost unless you're a child.
You don't need to do that in the UK. Just say your name and where you live and if on the list they tick you off.
The John Oliver one would likely be more informative.
Same here. They can also use fingerprints as you need to be fingerprinted when you sign up for the voter ID.
Indeed, but as per the link provided by Carolina Red above, some states have restricted it to a particular form of ID which could in turn restrict the franchise.
Multiple forms of photo ID should be permitted in my view (none of which should have to be current).
Perhaps, but that's from a satirical show. The vox pop format seemed more relevant.
My local polling station requires you to take your card as proof. It's ridiculous as we never used to.
In fact you don’t even have to give your own name and address, any will do. As long as that person hasn’t already voted and the first name correlates with the sex of the person giving it. It’s against the law though to do that but it’s easy to do.
Ideally anyone who votes anywhere in the world should have to show some form of i.d. Or at the very least the polling card that was sent to them.
I'm surprised he hasn't commissioned sculptures and monuments in his likeness yet.
Very nice breakdown @dumbo. That's more or less what I suspected when I just briefly clicked on the videos. I also wonder what was so interesting about them.
Why would the facts John Oliver presents be more relevant than people's opinions who may or may not have a clue?
Less relevant you mean. Because they're from a satirical comedy show.
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Arrrgghhh don’t! I’m still waiting for him to announce that his likeness will be carved into Mount Rushmore. If he gets a second term it’s a certainty.
You’ve clearly missed the point of satire.
What? With an attitude like that towards it, it is fairly obvious.
Have you never read Swift?
This makes no sense whatsoever.
The Irish writer acclaimed as the foremost satirist in the English language? Yes.
Regarding this 'attitude' you're referring to, my own grandparents didn't have the vote until the 1970s so I'm not deaf to the issues at play CR.
I’m talking about your attitude towards satire...
And Oliver is doing what Swift did, so if you’ve read Swift, you should know better than to be dismissive of “a satirical show” about political issues.
It's not that I'm being dismissive of it. I didn't watch it at the time.
You said facts presented in the show would be less relevant, because it is satirical.
Yeah, as it's a satirical comedy show I didn't click on it. I watched the others instead as they mention Voter ID specifically.
(Although after reading the description/subtitle of the second video on the Youtube search, it makes reference to the 'satirist' Ami Horowitz. Oops!)
Oliver's segments are comedic yes but he always presents them alongside facts. Much better to get a fair view of the situation with that than random people on the street.
Just by the by, but Fox News and John Oliver aside, if you really wanted know about this topic, why would you go on YouTube rather than Google for some well-sourced serious articles on it? There's even Google Scholar if you wanted to be academic about it.
Jesus Christ
Its insane how fecking stupid these people are.
Sadly, its easier and a hell of a lot more comfortable to sink into ignorance.
Its hard to see how america will eradicate this, if anything I think this shit is only destined the spread.
That's just one face of Trump supporters. Normal coat wearing businessman votes for Trump too
Apparently Trump's re-election campaign planned to use film of the July 4th flyovers in an ad, which is a misuse of public funds. More aptly, they could've just run the first 20 minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey in reverse to symbolise the Trump effect on the planet.
I imagine that’d also go against the military’s rules about not taking part in political activities while in uniform.
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